End of the World - 12/21/12 or Black Holes?

[SSY]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=11iCmzGnOI8
The Mayans predicted the world will end on this day.

[Underling]

desu

[araharu]

This is just like the Y2K scare, a lot of hysteria over nothing in my opinion.

[SSY]

I agree.

[khane]

Ima be pissed if the world ends then. I'll be 6-7 months out of college then -_-
Last comment if world ends then: "WTF God... WTF?!!"

But back to what I believe, yeah, all that was truly predicted was that there would be a world changing event that day, it does NOT specifically say that the world ends that day. Besides, there are tons of these. My friend keeps bunches in his phone's calendar just for the heck of it. Basically, I don't believe anything will happen. We're more likely to die to a straying asteroid than that..

[HeavyDDR]

Why would the world end on such a clever date? My theory; the world ends 07/15/99. Why? Because no one will expect so it will truly be the end of the world.

[littlekuribohrulz20]

let's move to mars.No, saturn...yes, saturn is best.

[HeavyDDR]

Screw that I'm going to Pluto.

[littlekuribohrulz20]

but you will FREEZE!

SATURN SATURN SATURN

[SSY]

I agree with LKrulz.

[littlekuribohrulz20]

this is what I have to say about the end of the world

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGqroT1FZ5Y

[Chidori]

If that's true we still have 5 years and 7 months to party.

I'm down with that.

[Feball3001]

If the mayans where predicting there own end they where way off because they have been dead for a long time now. But it would be sad if the world really did end then since I would not of experienced everthing that I want to experience by that time.

[Nina]

If Mayans knew their shit, they'd still be around.
Too soon? D:

[littlekuribohrulz20]

the mayans said their world would end
key word is THEIR

meaning the world they lived in, therefore, not only were they way off about their own end, but "their" does not count as the UK the US or any other non-mayan place on earth.

[SSY]

You've got a point.

[Sophie]

*rolls her eyes*
The Mayans do not predict the world will end on that day. Their calender ends on that day. There is a big fucking difference.

[Sophie]

And for those that try and drag the bible into this discussion:
Matthew 24:36
But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

[SSY]

Did you watch the video?

[Det1]

Do you have any idea how silly this all sounds?
we are literally looking through the records of dead people who wore feathers and leafs and piled rocks together for a sacrificial altar where they kill people to please the sun.
All i'm saying is that we can do better.

[darkarcher]

How I see it is...

1. End of the world: Nothing we can do about it.
2. Not end of the world: No point in worrying about it.

[SSY]

That was kind of smart thinking.

[littlekuribohrulz20]

it's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine

[Sophie]

Why the hell would I watch the video? I know exactly what it will say.
Back in the days when I was a naive idiot, I use to buy into this end of the world crap. lol

[CELTIC]

Sorry to break this to you super but the world isn't going to end anytime soon

[SSY]

I know that. I created this thread to discuss with people whether they believe it or not.

[inamerica55585]

countless people (at least 200) have predicted the end of the world and they've all been wrong. all I know is that in a few quadrillion years the universe will shrink back into the primal egg from which it was borne and shall explode into yet another universe. 'nuff said
<img src='/images/emoticons/smiley1.png'>

[Feball3001]

The end of the world is predicted every couple of years, most memorable one was Y2k where everything computerised would die.

[Henriksson]

The end to the planet Earth as we know it will take a couple 5 billion years, I think. Relax.

[lukeh]

Scientifically, yes. Biblically, the world could end at any moment. At least the biblical way wouldn't be painful...

[Sophie]

Not painful?!
You haven't read Revelations have you?

[Henriksson]

Scientifically, the bible is no where true.At least the biblical way wouldn't be painful...
Not quite sure humans would actually be around five billion years in the future, at which point it wouldn't be painful. Incidentally, do you actually believe that because something could benefit you more, it is more plausible?

I have read the bible, just so you know.

[darkarcher]

You're automatically assuming that the evolutionist view is absolutely correct, though. You can't quite prove either since neither has happened yet.

[Henriksson]

Er... exactly what does this have to do with evolution? <img src='/images/emoticons/smiley5.png'>

[darkarcher]

Sorry, I meant the secular view in general. You're going with the standpoint that the universe will automatically last 5 billion more years or whatever, when you haven't discounted the fact that the Bible could still be correct some time in the near future.

Like I said, you can't really know until it happens.

[Henriksson]

Maybe a plane crashes into me within the next five minutes. You can't really know until it happens.

[GcarOatmealRaisinCookies]

It’s the end of the world as we know it.
It’s the end of the world as we know it.
It’s the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine...fine...
~REM- It's the end of the world as we know it.
No one knows when the world will really end. Many people have tried to predict the end and have been wrong.
What makes the Mayans any more knowledgable?

[SSY]

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d35/chajon5/mayan.gif

[DavesAlterEgo]

My favorite part of the video was the Antichrist part. Also, as for as the video goes. OMG, things that have been happening as long as the earth has existed (apart from human involvement) are happening. My favorite theory I have heard about the Mayans and that date is.... That they were an alien race sent to earth as a punishment. And that 12/21/12 was to be the day they could leave. So the calender stopped. Too bad they died before they could leave. Also, if someone said this already. Duh, they DIED so they weren't there to keep adding to the calendar.

[FullMetalRevive]

The world will end when Underling fails to be awesome. So stay in your seats that could be a long long time.

[eaglewing]

Earth will not be destroyed and humanity will not be...destroyed. All that'll happen is there will be no more Mayan calendar.

[accountname]

when the world DOES end, i hope it's on monday. then at least i wouldn't have work to do.

[ArtificialRobot]

(I will claim right now that I did not watch the video. But I do know a bit about the 2012 theories and other ways humans have imagined their mass death.)

I do not believe the world will end in 2012. Mayan or otherwise (such as death by galactic center doom ray).

I believe the world (the planet, that is) will continue to exist for quite some time (in the billions of years category).

It is entirely possible that an asteroid could plummet into the Earth and have an effect that could result in mass extinction. We could also kill ourselves off (nuclear war, environmental destruction to the point of no return). However, I do think that is unlikely to happen soon (of course, I do care for the environment and I am opposed to obliteration by mushroom cloud).

With 100% certainty I can say that the world will not end by supernatural means.

[cionicgreycloak]

can i please ask exatly why your bothering to discuss this when it sure isnt gonna happen in our lifetime?

[PhillyEagles4Life]

can i please ask exatly why your bothering to discuss this when it sure isnt gonna happen in our lifetime?
it looks to me as if he was posting it to get other people to discuss how they felt about that superstion. the question i need to ask you is are you sure 2012 isn't in your lifetime? i'm not saying i believe the world will end but that's what this topic is about. <img src='/images/emoticons/smiley1.png'>

[SSY]

That's exactly why I posted it.

[NMPTILU]

My opinion: Who gives a crap?

Seriously, if you spend every day saying "5 more years until the world ends!", you're gonna end up in a seriously depressing state of mind. So just live your life!

(Wow that sounded waaay too peppy -.-)

[GcarOatmealRaisinCookies]

I'm in a depressed state already.
Go ahead planet, explode.

[Girkon]

Well at the very least I see this as an opportunity to get a paranoid rich person to give me their money if I stop the world from ending. At the very least I can say I got to see the end of the world, and all I got was this lousy T-Shirt...........TO THE PATENT OFFICE!!!

....

Hmmm I want to say I'm joking really, but somewhere out there is the worlds richest sucker mwehehehe.

[syncmeister]

good god ive never heard of a more convaluted "bomb scare" <img src='/images/emoticons/smiley3.png'>

[sidimazz]

All i know is if the world does end im gonnnnnnnnnnnnnna watch alot of YGOTAS <img src='/images/emoticons/smiley1.png'>

[RedRook]

It happens. I doubt the world will really end, because the world is too unimportant to end and realistically, nothing really ends. It's just a series of new crap beginning replacing the old crap that didn't work out so well. Regardless I look forward to the perceived apocalypse with much glory for no such plague has inhabited our tiny mud ball more so than the human race. Glory to our descendants the squid people!

[OsmiuMap]

I think I read somewhere that the Mayans probably only mean that 2012 will lead into a new spiritual era, and some others think 2012 is actually leading into a golden age.(It gets kind of crazy if I keep explaining so I'm just stopping there.)

[OsmiuMap]

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[ZhouYu]

We're all gonna die >_> Wouldn' it really suck if it did happen.....



Even worse....wouldn't it suck if it did happen and LittleKuriboh was scheduled to release a new episode the next day.

[darkarcher]

Just so people don't read the same thing 3 times.

[OsmiuMap]

Thanks, I accidentally held down the left mouse button.

[PhillyEagles4Life]

Even worse....wouldn't it suck if it did happen and LittleKuriboh was scheduled to release a new episode the next day.
Oh the horror! :O

[BoxOfFun]

I think I read somewhere that the Mayans probably only mean that 2012 will lead into a new spiritual era, and some others think 2012 is actually leading into a golden age.
Actually, the Mayans believed they we in the last and final world (the previous ones being destroyed by flood, earthquake, fire and famine (I think.)). If it was true that they thought it was the end of their era, it meant they thought it was the end of the world.

I don't believe the world will end on 12/21/12. Well, I believe there is a very small chance it could. The planet could be destroyed any moment and it's stupid to try and predict it.

If 12/21/12 IS the end of the world, there's nothing we can do to prevent it, so there's no point in worrying. If it is not, there is nothing to worry about. So the silliest thing you can do in this situation is worry.

[Raulst]

So assuming that there is an end, how exactly is the world going to end?

Nuclear explosion?

Spontaneous combustion?

Pluto taking revenge for being demoted to dwarf planet status?

>.>

[NMPTILU]

So assuming that there is an end, how exactly is the world going to end?

Nuclear explosion?

Spontaneous combustion?

Pluto taking revenge for being demoted to dwarf planet status?

>.>
Or, Pluto using a "spontaneous" combustion to set off a nuclear explosion in revenge for being demoted to dwarf planet status?
<.<

[eric2009]

Wow superstitions can be that serious... *scared*

[metagaia]

Well if the wonderful theory of Quantum Mechanics is accurate, there is a possibility that the Earth will just decide to separate all it's particles and send them off in random directions, leaving us all behind. It wouldn't be flashy enough for Hollywood, but the sheer WTF!? moments in those remaining seconds would be hilarious!

[viarules]

I told my 7 year old brother that the world was ending in 4 years and he started crying and had nightmares for a week.

I'm a great big sister by the way.

[yamiangie]

Didn't the they stop the calendar when it did because they'd calculated that that was the end of a astrological cycle. I assume they figured they'd just start over and reuse the old one.

[likeomgnowaygirl]

i wrote a few paragraphs about this sort of thing in another thread, but since i can't find it to quote myself, i'll have to rewrite from my memory and scratch.

i saw this thing on the national geographic channel - it was a documentary about the end of the world on 12/21/12, and it talked about how the ancient mayans weren't the only ones who predicted the end of the world on that day. apparently, merlin did, too. and some other ancient people whose names i forgot.

also, there's supposed to apparently be one of those aligning-in-the-galaxy things on that day that only happens once every 25,800 years [or so], and it'll cause flash floods, start earthquakes, and wreck havoc on our plumbing. the dudes on the tv said that it's happened before, and -that- particular catastrophe started the ice age.

make of that what you will.

it might just be that the end of the world will end the way that icon said it would. or maybe not. who knows, y'know?

[PacMan]

it going to be a little f*** up that the world suppose to end the day before my b-day

[Titan50]

On the 11th of December, 2012, I'm going on a school massacre and then throw myself off a tall building yelling "I CAN FLY!". If the world is still there on the 13th, that would suck major arse.

[darkarcher]

I hope you mean December 20th.

[Sweeper128]

Oh God that's my Birthday!

I'm sure Gordon Freeman has something to say about that!
He's mute!?! Oh Sh----

[SSY]

IT"S GONNA HAPPEN! HOLY SHI~! (http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080405/black_hole_080405/20080405?hub=TopStories)

[killshot]

They're firing it up in about 6 hours. This may be our last day on earth.

[darkarcher]

If so, you won't see it coming, so don't worry about it.

[Zairak]

Hmm...This doesn't look like the afterlife. Yay?

[yamiangie]

K-9 must be keeping the black hole from destroying us all. But it seems the test run went as pland (http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080909/collider_test_080910/20080910/). We might have to wait a bit longer for the thing to destroy the world.

[Zairak]

So now I have to wait for my armageddon? What a rip-off.

[Feball3001]

Maybe it is the thing that will destroy the world on the 21/12/12

[lukeh]

The end of the world is the apocalypse or HeavyDDR becoming a Site Admin.

[Tatterdemalion]

The end of the world is the apocalypse or HeavyDDR becoming a Site Admin.
Which is pretty improbable considering he's banned (at least, he was the last time I checked).

[metroid119]

amen

[metroid119]

technically my world ends when i die so who cares.

[RationalInquirer]

Biblically speaking, the world will never be destroyed according to Psalm 104:5 Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever. and Ecclesiastes 1:4 One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.
However, we also learn from the Bible that the Second Coming could arrive in the forseeable future and culminate the return of Jesus Christ to ensue Apocalypse and destroy the Earth. In other words, we should not hold scripture of any form to be a reliable source of prophetic material <img src='/images/emoticons/smiley2.png'> too many contradictions within the Bible/Quran. Of course, you can always interpret the verses as metaphorical or a parable for something else.

[SilverFox]

Calendars are man made and the planet doesn't know what 9/9/99 is or means.

I laughed my head off at all the morons who panicked with the y2k thing, over a year before it began I'd even set my mum's computer date beyond the year 2000 just for the hell of it so I knew there was nothing, more lol at people filling up their baths with water!

As far as mayans go, they built things that look like pyramids, so did the egyptians, and on mars there are egyptian style pyramids, and the largest on each planet supposedly line up/point perfectly at each other at certain times, plus a bunch of other egyptian things so I would only rule it out 99%

It's pointless predicting the end of the world, unless you are doing a publicity stunt, those mayans could be releasing a movie or a CD! hehe.
But yeah it's pointless because if you're right, no one will be around to know about it, and when you're wrong everyone will ridicule you.

What it can't hurt to do is assemble an 'armageddon' kit, so if a bunch of asteroids make a mess of the place and 80% of the population is presumed wiped out, you've got stuff like packs of seeds to grow fruit and veg with and one of those machines that makes water from air, which you've modified by adding one of those fitness bikes to power it.

And in my strange supporting theory, the world could end because:
How much more can technology possibly advance, can you really, really imagine an incredible life-realistic VR simulator machine/program/game? how many more GB can they really fit into a micro SD flash card (the ones close to the size of your small fingernail), they just reached 64GB as far as I'm aware.
So therefore technology can't possibly advance that much more, it's only 'meant' to advance so much and the galaxy system caves in around that time! lol

[sudduth]

Lol crazy people.

[metroid119]

“Einstein was wrong when he said “God does not play dice”. Consideration of black holes suggests, not only that God does play dice, but that He sometimes confuses us by throwing them where they can’t be seen.”

[KuroStarr]

Well, people said the sun would explode in 2000: WRONG. We are still here. We are still breathing. And we are still alive.
So to say that it would end in 2012 is probably a load of BS. Don't get me wrong-the Mayans were pretty smart as far as ancient civilizations go - but not that damn smart.
Damnit....Why do people always pick such accurate dates?: 2000 and 12/21/21?
I mean come on! Whats with the 'two's?!
Ultimately, the sun is gonna get so big it will have to go boom- but that's not gonna happen for a long long long long time.
People say that 'Global Warming' is gonna be the end of the world. The earth goes through cycles, and 'global warming' is supposedly the 7th cycle, it is supposed to heat up the earth. This cycle is supposed to weaken our environment, destroy our O-zone layer, and send the world into drought. Its a renewal process that the earth goes through every millions of years-its pretty natural. :/ Could that be what the Mayans were talking about?
It not gonna happen any time soon, though. Not in my life time. Not in my child's life time. And not even in my child's child's' life time. Get it?
Either way people will be freaking out about it until it actually happens. I have my best friends screaming in my ears about this crap. Bunch of hippies.
There have been predictions about the end of the world since man had walked this earth-and humans have been known to be wrong before...
So in this whole subject; I'm pretty open-minded but skeptical at the same time.

[SilverFox]

Nuclear tests are what got the ozone layer into the state it's in now, people blame it on industrial gases emitted into the atmosphere but the majority of industry is in the northern hemisphere, and all the nuclear testing has been done in the southern hemisphere, and the hole is in the southern hemisphere, and no where near as many nuke tests are done today (if any), and at the same time scientists have been saying over previous years that the hole is closing...

[Tatterdemalion]

Well, people said the sun would explode in 2000
No they didn't...People say that 'Global Warming' is gonna be the end of the world. The earth goes through cycles, and 'global warming' is supposedly the 7th cycle, it is supposed to heat up the earth. This cycle is supposed to weaken our environment, destroy our O-zone layer, and send the world into drought. Its a renewal process that the earth goes through every millions of years-its pretty natural.
Regardless of whether or not global warming has occurred as a result of natural processes in the past, to ignore the direct correlation between industrial/automobile-related chemical emissions and polution and the increase in global temperature, and dismiss it as something that will have no impact on human life any time in the near future simply because something similar happened millions of years ago is a very foolish thing to do.

[Tatterdemalion]

I find that hard to believe, considering that there's no scientific explanation as to how dense nuclear particles can cause the ozone layer to deteriorate. Haloalkanes can actually react with O3 to break it down into O2, this is something that has been clearly established. To the contrary, there is no explanation I'm aware of as to how any sort of nuclear matter could react in any such way. So no, unless you can actually explain how, I doubt it has anything to do with nuclear testing.

[Underling]

<span style='color:#65743B;'>Confirmed for nonsense. Move along... :V</span>

[TheFreedomIllusion]

Actually, on December 21, 2012, our solar system is going to eclipse the galactic centre. Quite interesting really, but doubtful it will cause the end of the world.

[toastwolf117]

its really weird I did some multiplication and division on a cauculater using the numbers 666, 13, and 2012. it came up with 12212012 12/21/2012. its freaky O_o

[AsteriskRocks]

its really weird I did some multiplication and division on a cauculater using the numbers 666, 13, and 2012. it came up with 12212012 12/21/2012. its freaky O_o

Actually...the original number of the beast is 616.

[narutostarwars]

This Is all Liez!! The only thing that is happening is the earth's progression on its axis. On that day the Earth will have shifted to one side of its progressional axis movement, thus it only happens every 26,000 years.

[Rydonmower]

Ooohh!! I have a book with a bit on this! I'll try to summarize the chapter here:

The Mayans didn't predict the world would end then. It's just their calendar system. They use a system where they have 5 slots for numbers.
Look at this:
0.0.0.0.0
Imagine that this is the format of their date system.
Every time a day passes, that's one on the far right slot. This is called a kin.
0.0.0.0.1
Now you have 1 kin. That's 1 day.
Once you get to 20 days...
0.0.0.0.18
0.0.0.0.19
0.0.0.1.0
...you have one winal. This is because the Mayans use number system based on 20, instead of ten like we do. So we have ten digits (0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 and 9). When we get to 9, we just go 10. It's the same with the Mayans, except their digits go up to 19 before rolling over.
Anyways...
0.0.0.1.19
What happens when we get to here?Tthe kin roll over again to make another winal.
0.0.0.2.0
So now you've got 2 winals and no kin. Incidently, a winal was kinda like their month.
So they they had 18 months of 20 days each. This equals 360 days, which is fairly close to the actual year of 365 and-a-bit days. However they didn't need this to be completely accurate, as they had a few other calendars to take care of this.
So, we're up to months/winal now. Remember there are 20 days in a month and 18 months in a year. So when the calander looked like this...
0.0.0.17.19
...we get 1 tun.
0.0.1.0.0
And this is one year!
Now, tun again counted up to twenty, just like kin. You have to remember that this was the calander the Mayans used to record many years, because it went up to such big numbers. So keeping that in mind, when we had 19 tun, 17 winal and 19 kin...
0.0.19.17.19
...next came...
0.1.0.0.0
1 baktun! This equaled 7,200 days- roughly 20 years. Baktun once again counted up to twenty to give you one katun:
0.19.19.17.19
1.0.0.0.0
This is 144,000 days and about 400 years.

Now we can get down to business! The whole theory about the Mayans predicting that the end of the world will end 21/12/12 is completely untrue! The Mayans never predicted the end of the world. 21/12/12 is the day when the katun roll over.
So 20/12/12 is equal to 19.19.19.17.19. So what happens the next day...?

NOTHING!!!

The Mayan Long Count calander just rolls back to 0.0.0.0.0, which, I'll admit, is a pretty big moment for a calendar that's been counting since 11 August 3114 BCE. But the fact is, nothing will happen!
Our Gregorian calendar has 31st of December every single year. And what happens after that? The end of the world? No, just January 1 and about 4 billion hangovers.


So there you go! Hope you didn't get to bored reading that. But you gotta admit, that's pretty solid evidence that the world is not going to end on 21st December 2012.
I'm Rydonmower, and this has been my two cents... Which when compared to your two cents is like, 50 bucks. Thank you.

[Rydonmower]

BUMP so that someone can read that ^.

[Fat1Fared]

guys the world won't end at all, they have now found evidence which shows another PLANET crashed into earth at one point and that may have been what started life here, she's an old girl but she sure is hards as coffen nails

Now human life may end at any second, but if it does it does, with all the Billions of things which we know could kill us, none have yet, so why worry, aspiecally when think that there are even more things which could kill us, that we don't even know and probably couldn't stop anyway

[TPishek]

How I see it is...

1. End of the world: Nothing we can do about it.
2. Not end of the world: No point in worrying about it.

Needed to be reposted.

[Tormented]

The end of the world? Why, I'd better make the most of it. *grabs a shotgun*

[Rydonmower]

Are you telling me that no-one is going to comment on my post that took 40 minutes to type?

[Anna-aurion]

It's bullocks. The mayans were taken over before they could finish their calender, so that's why it stopped on 2012, duh.

[zerademark]

Great job with the calendar Rydonmower.

One of the few people I found who actually looked this from a realistic view.

Imagine millions of years from now when our way of civilization is long forgotten. And then one of these future humans finds our current calendar and notes that it runs till the year 3000 (and their current is 2999) What do you think will pop up in their head.



However, if I look at the Large Hydron Collider....

[HarleyThomas1002]

The Incan calandar ends at 2013 and the Mayans had a bad habit of sacrifising hundreds upon thousands of people when the stars were right.

It makes you wonder how many of those people who got their hearts torn out were the ones who made the calandar.

[TitanAura]

Meh, all dooms day predictions end up being within our lifetimes. Why? Because of our own natural gravitation towards grandeur. The world coming to an end to claim our lives makes our lives more important than those before us because it makes our deaths that much cooler and our own existence will then coincide with the end of mankind as whole. It's all very stupid to begin with. I doubt we'll be around when the Earth goes kaput billions of years from now when the sun explodes or a worm hole appears and leads an alien invasion to conquer the mutant humanoid cockroaches that have become the dominate species in our absence after the nuclear fallout.

[Eia]

1. I'm pissed off that someone bumped this.
2. 2012 was a horrible movie.
3. The Mayans ended it there because they got tired of counting. No, seriously. There was no real reason for that being the end, it was all arbitrary. They would have added more years to their calendar if the civilization still existed as the year drew nearer. But as it was, it was centuries, even a millennium, away from the peak of their civilization. (My timing on that might be off. But you get the point.)

[TitanAura]

1. I'm pissed off that someone bumped this.
2. 2012 was a horrible movie.
3. The Mayans ended it there because they got tired of counting. No, seriously. There was no real reason for that being the end, it was all arbitrary. They would have added more years to their calendar if the civilization still existed as the year drew nearer. But as it was, it was centuries, even a millennium, away from the peak of their civilization. (My timing on that might be off. But you get the point.)
1. Meh.
2. Actually I thought it was fun disaster movie if nothing else even if the story was DUR HUR FURHERDED.
3. ?????
4. PROFIT!

[FirePixie109]

the world will end because i'll turn 22.... hahahaha....

but seriously it's ridiculous. The world will end when all of earths sources of heat go kaput. and i highly doubt the human race will survive long enough to see that.

[ThePRPD]

It's bullocks. The mayans were taken over before they could finish their calender, so that's why it stopped on 2012, duh.
I hate you for bumping this thread.

[MrsSallyBakura]

There's a part of me that thinks that people really want the world to end.

That's why they're counting down and relying on illogical proofs that it'll end any second.

[TitanAura]

There's a part of me that thinks that people really want the world to end.

That's why they're counting down and relying on illogical proofs that it'll end any second.
I just explained in my last post one of the reasons people always predict the end of everything as "it'll be soon!". Very few existences go out with a bang. Even if nuclear holocaust annihilate mankind, the remaining survivors will linger desperately before fading away. You bring further relevance to the idea of the end being near.... because then we don't have to give a fuck about future generations that supposedly will never have the chance to exist.

[MrsSallyBakura]

I just explained in my last post one of the reasons people always predict the end of everything as "it'll be soon!". Very few existences go out with a bang. Even if nuclear holocaust annihilate mankind, the remaining survivors will linger desperately before fading away. You bring further relevance to the idea of the end being near.... because then we don't have to give a fuck about future generations that supposedly will never have the chance to exist.

Just read your post (and this one) and I agree.

Which reminds me of a flier that I got at school about the Bible predicting that we're currently living in the end times.

I read through it, and while a couple of points were interesting, most of it was taken as if people were sinning more often now than they have in the past, like people were good during the middle ages but we're sinning left-and-right in today's society.

Oh lookie, I went on their website and found it:
http://www.lamblion.com/articles/articles_rapture1.php

By the way, I think this article is (at least mostly) a load of crap.

[TitanAura]

Just read your post (and this one) and I agree.

Which reminds me of a flier that I got at school about the Bible predicting that we're currently living in the end times.

I read through it, and while a couple of points were interesting, most of it was taken as if people were sinning more often now than they have in the past, like people were good during the middle ages but we're sinning left-and-right in today's society.

Oh lookie, I went on their website and found it:
http://www.lamblion.com/articles/articles_rapture1.php

By the way, I think this article is (at least mostly) a load of crap.
I'll stick to the "Left Behind" thank you. At least that tried to have a cohesive narrative to drive it even if I don't buy the premise. It's just a cool concept to think about.

[MrsSallyBakura]

I'll stick to the "Left Behind" thank you. At least that tried to have a cohesive narrative to drive it even if I don't buy the premise. It's just a cool concept to think about.

I think that's where most people get the rapture premise from anyways, lol.

[TitanAura]

I think that's where most people get the rapture premise from anyways, lol.
It's that whole "modern day" setting they get caught up with.

[Fat1Fared]

-This is why religious morons, actually scatch that, anyone with "Clotho theories" should not be allow on the internet, it means they spread their message others and the earth, goes just that little bit slower -_-

=I mean, seriously these guys may have read the bible, but they really should read other more (how to put this without getting lynched) comprehensive books, because they clearly know F-all about the history of man

During the 1960's Satanism exploded on the American scene and has since been exported worldwide through American movies, books, and television programs. Dabbling in the occult has become commonplace in the form of astrology, numerology, crystal gazing, transcendental meditation, and channeling. The whole trend has consummated in the appearance of the New Age Movement with its teaching that Man is God.


=Where the hell did this come from, Satanism has been around as real religion with supporters all over world for thousands of years and trust me, was lot worse in the past than is now, now it generally seen as silly thing for pop-culture to use as being edgy and cool, (that is not even real Satanism, if there is such a thing, because lot of time, ironically I think they completely misunderstand the idea of the devil, he doesn't appear to me, to be man of blood and rape.....etc, he is more subtle than that, he is a sign of letting ones own benevolence burn their existence)

4) The Signs of Technology — The book of Daniel says that there will be an explosion of knowledge in the end times and that people will move about quickly (Daniel 12:4). There are many Bible prophecies that cannot be understood apart from modern technology. For example, how can the whole world look upon two bodies lying in the streets of Jerusalem (Revelation 11:8-9)? Modern television satellite technology makes it easy. How can the False Prophet build an image of the Anti-Christ that appears to be alive (Revelation 13:15)? The answer, of course, is the science of robotics. How can the False Prophet require all people on earth to take the mark of the Anti-Christ in order to buy and sell (Revelation 13:16-17)? It would not be possible apart from computers and lasers.

=This is why you never trust predictions of the future, because the poeple who make them, normally make them so vague that they could mean anything, now if that prediction had said something like "in future there will be machines in spaces which send moving real time images around the world to box's in poeples homes and they call it TV"
-I would be impressed, saying how world can see too bodies at once could mean bloody anything and also TV doesn't make that right because
1=When was last time the whole world watched the same thing
2=A lot of places have ether no tv or highly censored tv, so to call tv that is just another example of religion finding meaning in the meaningless

faint from fear" because "the powers of the heavens will be shaken" (Luke 21:26). That certainly sounds like a reference to the splitting of the atom.

=Come again????????? That could mean anything

Another key player on the world political scene in the end times will be a coalition of European nations that will form a confederation centered in the area of the old Roman empire (Daniel 2:41-44, Daniel 7:7,23-24, and Revelation 17:12-13). This confederation will serve as the political base for the rise of the Anti-Christ and the creation of his worldwide kingdom (Daniel 7:8).

=Really? will we, oh how nice, <roles eyes>

-and the russia and china bit is amusing fear mounging to say least


=But, I think my biggest problem with these things is, we told of all these great acts of god, but nothing has happened in recorded history, why, the logical answer, they never happened, their vague stories, probably based on even vaguer events which now, probably barely even corrulate together and normally all these predictions of second comings, judgment days, end of world destruction.....etc are based on things so vague themselves that they could apply to anything and most of them at any time, I personally need things, which are little more cohesive

and

=If the end comes, then I will shrug my shoulders and say we had good run, unlucky to those who didn't get to taste beer and sex ^_- and then probably be turned into whatever radioactive dust ball is about to take out all life

=oh and if it is god, then I will do all things ever wanted but was unable to before, before jumping straight on the train to hell and won't pass go, as lets face it, neo-libel atheists such as myself are screwed anyway, may as well have fun before god casts his righteous judgement upon me, who knows, maybe Lucifer could turn out to be really nice guy

=Ok enough jest, to be honest, I do not think there will ever be some big wipe out for the human race, we will die like just about ever other race before us, from a slow millina of decay caused by lack of food, raise in predetors and other natural things which cause different species to start decreasing in number, rather than increasing, and this will end with last of us dropping dead unable reproduce anymore and without anyone to even note its passing or the humans races last act before it disappears from existence for good
-Why does no one want this? (because it is not cool enough, there is no delusion of grandra in it, nothing, we just die like everything else, its too normal for poeple to accept

[MrsSallyBakura]

lol well, like I said, I don't believe their crap. :V

It's true that the current "New Age" movement started in the 60's, but Satanism itself has been around for a long time, as you said.

As for the technology thing, I agree that the prediction is vague and probably requires more Biblical context. Also, in 200 years technology will probably be even MORE advanced, more than we can even imagine.

Come again????????? That could mean anything

Yes it can. Context is probably another issue. Splitting of the atom... lol.

I don't think that there'll be a HUGE wipe-out of the human race either. I mean, I suppose it's possible, but neither option is a belief that I find important enough to hold in my heart.

[iShiila]

There's a part of me that thinks that people really want the world to end.

That's why they're counting down and relying on illogical proofs that it'll end any second.

I bet there's going to be another new "end of the world" rumor after December 2012 anyway -.- The world did this in 2000 when they thought all the computers were goiing to turn off and the turn opf the century was going to kill everyone. 2012 is no different. It's just a goofed up rumor. Just because the Mayans "predicted it" doesn't mean its true.

BTW, 2012 was actually a good disater movie, it was just based off an illogical reason.

[angellychan]

I'm into astronomy for years and I'm watching this 2012 thing with irritation. It has no scientific basis:

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/2012.html

Also I wish more people read Rydonmower hardwork just few posts above. I'll repeat it just for the record:

Mayans calendar intervals accumulate as multiples of 20. An interval of 7,200 days (360 X 20) was known as katun. It takes 20 katuns to complete a baktun (20 X 7,200 = 144,000 days). December 12 2012 is the end of baktun 13 in their calendar. There is also a piktun and it's not clear whether the first piktun occurs after 13 or after 20 baktun, but the fact is the calendar doesn't end there.

And personally, I doubt that a culture as precise as Mayans would create something after baktun 13 if they decided to end their calendar at this date.

[angellychan]

There's a part of me that thinks that people really want the world to end.

That's why they're counting down and relying on illogical proofs that it'll end any second.

Just from personal experience, sometimes when I'm not in the mood I'm telling people as "a consolation" that there is an asteroid (99942 Apophis) that might hit us. But they just shrug their shoulders and answer: "Yeah, so... what's your point?".

I don't understand how can you be excited about event that had been obviously made up, but be indifferent when talking about real danger? o_O

Or maybe it's because 99942 Apophis doesn't have all 9s in its designation? I mean, the numbers are human invention. So do calendars.

[Eia]

I'm into astronomy for years and I'm watching this 2012 thing with irritation. It has no scientific basis:

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/2012.html

Also I wish more people read Rydonmower hardwork just few posts above. I'll repeat it just for the record:

Mayans calendar intervals accumulate as multiples of 20. An interval of 7,200 days (360 X 20) was known as katun. It takes 20 katuns to complete a baktun (20 X 7,200 = 144,000 days). December 12 2012 is the end of baktun 13 in their calendar. There is also a piktun and it's not clear whether the first piktun occurs after 13 or after 20 baktun, but the fact is the calendar doesn't end there.

And personally, I doubt that a culture as precise as Mayans would create something after baktun 13 if they decided to end their calendar at this date.


I love the fact that NASA went and wrote up a letter for all of the idiots out there who think this mess is real. Once again, I love my country. <3

[Fat1Fared]

Sally don't worry me and you may disagree on a lot, but i know you wouldn't go so far as to join the Doom's Day Parade lol
-But in all seriousness, I just hate predictions in general, because real ones do not exist and the ones which do come true are normally, are so vague that it was always going to come true

IE-Here is my prediction
-And several hundred people died in event of natures wrath in the coming day
-That will come true, probably within next year, where some natural diseater will happen, but that does not mean I am predicting future, just saying something so vague that probability means events could mean a range of thing, which will have to occur and will invariability forfill its board requirements, but in truth i have no idea what those events are, so in truth it is not a prediction of future at all and so just annoys me poeple make these predictions to valid themselves and their beliefs and worries me further that others believe this

BTW, 2012 was actually a good disater movie, it was just based off an illogical reason.

=Good........... Disaster movie=Same thing <BUZZ-HISS_BANG> Does Not Computer, paradox alert, paradox alert (just joking with you, but yer, personally not fan of them, normally all same thing and fundermentually the blandness of characters involved as well the USA saves day feel or Normal USA man will always survive thing, means I am happy most do die in them <_<)

-However I will defend the Film on this point, the makers of it, said they did not believe in 2012, just thought another diseater theory they could rip off and make lots of money out of, so poeple need to stop bringing all wonderful reasons why it is wrong to table, may sound fancy as theory itself, but your sort of proving a point, nobody really disagree's with (sure will be a few, however these poeple will probably be hiding in their bomb shelver right now, so no concern to us really) and so it gets little over the top with point being proven,

=Know sound little up myself here, just poeple are saying these things like its a great discovery that a film is based on shaky facts or that Hollywood may have not been 100% faithful to truth <_<
>_>

[MrsSallyBakura]

Just from personal experience, sometimes when I'm not in the mood I'm telling people as "a consolation" that there is an asteroid (99942 Apophis) that might hit us. But they just shrug their shoulders and answer: "Yeah, so... what's your point?".

I don't understand how can you be excited about event that had been obviously made up, but be indifferent when talking about real danger? o_O

Or maybe it's because 99942 Apophis doesn't have all 9s in its designation? I mean, the numbers are human invention. So do calendars.

*facepalm*

I think people really just like fantasy.

[TitanAura]

Just from personal experience, sometimes when I'm not in the mood I'm telling people as "a consolation" that there is an asteroid (99942 Apophis) that might hit us. But they just shrug their shoulders and answer: "Yeah, so... what's your point?".

I don't understand how can you be excited about event that had been obviously made up, but be indifferent when talking about real danger? o_O

Or maybe it's because 99942 Apophis doesn't have all 9s in its designation? I mean, the numbers are human invention. So do calendars.
But if you flip the number over.... *GASP* THE NUMBER OF THE BEAST! 666 divided by 13.... which takes us back to the Kennedy Assassination....
*hours later*
According to my calculations, the world will end.... October 23, 2155.... meh. *walks away*

[angellychan]

But if you flip the number over.... *GASP* THE NUMBER OF THE BEAST! 666 divided by 13.... which takes us back to the Kennedy Assassination....
*hours later*
According to my calculations, the world will end.... October 23, 2155.... meh. *walks away*

But isn't the Number of the Beast actually 616?

Hmm... okay... Kennedy Assassination... let's add 11.22.1963 and 12.21.2012 and 666 divided by 13...
*hours later*
According to MY calculations, the world already ended... on March 21 922... hmm...
*throws calculator at a wall and walks away too*

[MrsSallyBakura]

Why is it always the Kennedy Assassination that gets thrown into these calculations?

Haven't there been more important assassinations in history?

[AnAliasUnknown]

People have already beat me to it, but I think I heard somewhere that the planets are supposed to be aligned on that day / there is going to be a big change that occurs.

I may have misheard the former though, I actually don't really remember where I heard that.

[angellychan]

Why is it always the Kennedy Assassination that gets thrown into these calculations?

Haven't there been more important assassinations in history?

Yeah, always the Kennedy Assassination. I wonder why myself.
We can try with Archduke Franz Ferdinand next time.

[maisetofan]

Why is it always the Kennedy Assassination that gets thrown into these calculations?

Haven't there been more important assassinations in history?

Indeed there have been and poor Bobby kennedy :(
1968 was infact a year for assassinations

not only was bob kennedy shot on the 5th june on that year
Martin luther king jr was also assassinated that same year on the 4th april, two months prior to Bobs death

earlier in 1965 Malcom X was killed

in 1972 George wallace was shot and paralyzed for life (he was a ranting racist but still)

In 1995 Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin was Killed

and off course in 1912 Theordore roosevelt was shot at but survived, in 1918 Vladimir Lenin was shot at a factory meeting and survived but eventually was murdered. And there were three assassination attempts on adolf hitler, the first being the infamous beer hall putsch on the 8th November 1923 by police who were opposed to the nazi regime (as of then)
In 1944 Claus von Stauffenberg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claus_von_Stauffenberg)attempted a very bold move to kill hitler on the 20th july known as the 20th july plot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_20_plot)

And there is also abraham lincoln killed by john wilks booth
and the horrific execution of facist dictator Bento Mussolini and his mistress Clara Petacci on 28 April 1945


what i am trying to point out is that there were more assassinations than just the kennedy brothers and why people always need to bring out a link between there death and some sort of conspiracy. Now its the end of the world being linked to them?? because of the dates of their deaths and so forth, if you add up all these deaths and assassination attempts i am sure you will find "proof" of something sinister as well:smiley4::smiley4:

[MrsSallyBakura]

Yeah, always the Kennedy Assassination. I wonder why myself.
We can try with Archduke Franz Ferdinand next time.

He's the assassination I was thinking of, lol.

Also, I think people think the Kennedy Assassination because a lot of people who are alive today experienced that media coverage themselves... so giving way to the 'fact' that OUR LIVES ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN THOSE BEFORE US APPARENTLY, then the Kennedy Assassination MUST be the most significant. :P

[TitanAura]

NOSTALGIA CRITIC. Yeesh.

[Anreyla]

I personally think the whole 2012 end of the world thing is just a bunch of stupid hype. There's been a ton of these prophecies that have come and gone: Y2K, Planet X/Nibiru, 6-6-2006, black holes, gamma ray bursts, hypercanes, the accounts that said [the Christian/Muslim/Jewish) God would come down, all the Bible Code nonsense, I could go on.. So why do people think the Mayan calendar is any different?

Personally, I think if the world is 'destroyed', it'll have more to do with human actions than some supernatural forces that come out of nowhere and on a specific date. That's the first rule for a good fake prophet: don't set specific dates, it only makes things worse for you when nothing happens. It's like the woman who predicted the Nibiru Collision-- she said it would come around in May of 2003. When nothing happened, she revised it to 'sometime in 2010', saying she wouldn't give out the actual date because the government would enforce martial law and trap people, dooming them to die. Yeeeah.

I heard a, erm, wonderful explanation about the end of the world from a friend. On 6-6-06, 666 evil Jew babies were born who, in 6 years, 6 months would destroy the world with all the nukes.. Now, this was original supposed to happen in 1966, but Hitler found out about it, and so he decided that he had to stop it, so he killed all the Jews, but the 'higher ups' wanted the world to end, so they stopped him. Kennedy knew about the reason Hitler did what he did, so the higher ups had him assassinated because he couldn't know.. Yeeeeeeeaaaah. The horrific satire makes me laugh more and more every time I retell it.

[MrsSallyBakura]

I heard a, erm, wonderful explanation about the end of the world from a friend. On 6-6-06, 666 evil Jew babies were born who, in 6 years, 6 months would destroy the world with all the nukes.. Now, this was original supposed to happen in 1966, but Hitler found out about it, and so he decided that he had to stop it, so he killed all the Jews, but the 'higher ups' wanted the world to end, so they stopped him. Kennedy knew about the reason Hitler did what he did, so the higher ups had him assassinated because he couldn't know.. Yeeeeeeeaaaah. The horrific satire makes me laugh more and more every time I retell it.

I didn't actually laugh when I read this, but it's still hilarious.

[TitanAura]

I heard a, erm, wonderful explanation about the end of the world from a friend. On 6-6-06, 666 evil Jew babies were born who, in 6 years, 6 months would destroy the world with all the nukes.. Now, this was original supposed to happen in 1966, but Hitler found out about it, and so he decided that he had to stop it, so he killed all the Jews, but the 'higher ups' wanted the world to end, so they stopped him. Kennedy knew about the reason Hitler did what he did, so the higher ups had him assassinated because he couldn't know.. Yeeeeeeeaaaah. The horrific satire makes me laugh more and more every time I retell it.
And thus everything comes full circle with the Kennedy Assassination. It explains EVERYTHING people.

[HarleyThomas1002]

There's a part of me that thinks that people really want the world to end.

That's why they're counting down and relying on illogical proofs that it'll end any second.

There are times when I want the world to end, but I've once said I get aroused by the thought of the sun exploding as a (sick) joke.

Needless to say, I was the only one who found it funny.

[maisetofan]

I heard a, erm, wonderful explanation about the end of the world from a friend. On 6-6-06, 666 evil Jew babies were born who, in 6 years, 6 months would destroy the world with all the nukes.. Now, this was original supposed to happen in 1966, but Hitler found out about it, and so he decided that he had to stop it, so he killed all the Jews, but the 'higher ups' wanted the world to end, so they stopped him. Kennedy knew about the reason Hitler did what he did, so the higher ups had him assassinated because he couldn't know.. Yeeeeeeeaaaah. The horrific satire makes me laugh more and more every time I retell it.

Was ur friend by any chance a wannabe nazi?
what a load of bullocks :objection::rageface:

hitler was born in lindz austria, the town mayor was a known anti-Semite, his father was also a proud austrian/German since they were mainly under german rule then when world war one broke out austria and Germany fought as one, hitler was a corporal awarded the iron cross by a jewish SGT i may add, he later blamed the treaty of Versailles and war reparations that had to be paid to the winning countries (the uk, USA etc) on the foreign invaders and the communists

after world war one, germany had a political riot on their hands with communists fighting nationalists and the jews who were a peaceful people as well as the pacifists like the Jehovah's witnesses and gypsies, bore the brunt of the nationalists anger, but it was the communists and journalists who fought against hitler that were the first to die and be tortured in concentration camps NOT the jews

so she obviously read nothing about world war two or the Nazis properly

[Anreyla]

Was ur friend by any chance a wannabe nazi?
what a load of bullocks :objection::rageface:

hitler was born in lindz austria, the town mayor was a known anti-Semite, his father was also a proud austrian/German since they were mainly under german rule then when world war one broke out austria and Germany fought as one, hitler was a corporal awarded the iron cross by a jewish SGT i may add, he later blamed the treaty of Versailles and war reparations that had to be paid to the winning countries (the uk, USA etc) on the foreign invaders and the communists

after world war one, germany had a political riot on their hands with communists fighting nationalists and the jews who were a peaceful people as well as the pacifists like the Jehovah's witnesses and gypsies, bore the brunt of the nationalists anger, but it was the communists and journalists who fought against hitler that were the first to die and be tortured in concentration camps NOT the jews

so she obviously read nothing about world war two or the Nazis properly

Uhmm.... It was a joke... He was joking. He doesn't actually believe in any of that nonsense, it was supposed to be a parody of the insane conspiracy theories that people tend come up with for no adequetly explored reason.... o_o;

[AllisonWalker]

Uhmm.... It was a joke... He was joking. He didn't actually believe in any of that nonsense, it was supposed to be a parody of the insane conspiracy theories that people come up with.... o_o;

:8V:
I got the joke. lolz

[maisetofan]

i think there are a lot of people who want the world to end, or are expecting it in 2012
for example a well known kiwi musician (well not so well known in other parts of the world aside from Australia) and lead singer of his bad Opshop has already looked in to purchasing a bunker and is storing up canned foods with his partner for when the "end" comes, he also plans to play ten shows in one day around the country to save time

he was interviewed and said he does not care if people think he is a freak or a fruit loop, because people wont be laughing at him when he is safe apparently....
although if there is a massive Tsunami you are kind of stuck, or dead anyway

[FreakAzoid]

I am going out with a blaze of glory

[ThePRPD]

I am going out with a blaze of glory
A bullet to the head? Let me know when it's time so I could pull the trigger for you.

[Yuuki Kuran]

Wasn't there an article on yahoo that said this "end of the world" 2012 stuff is not going to happen?:squintyface:

[maisetofan]

A bullet to the head? Let me know when it's time so I could pull the trigger for you.

LOL thats harsh but that person was a Troll so its okay to bash
Bash i say xD

and YK, whats this article?

[Yuuki Kuran]

and YK, whats this article?

IDK...I remember reading an article about someone who was asking this person about 2012. It made the yahoo frontpage before. I tried finding it earlier, but I guess its gone or its probably hidden somewhere.

[maisetofan]

2012 meaning the end of the world has been in peoples minds for years but the movie seemed to really fire up people
and more and more films are now coming out about the end of the world, post apocalyptic conditions and such

Example: The book of Eli
The road or whatever its called

And even I am legend was still about a virus that wiped out the majority of mankind

[Autopsy Gremlin]

Ugh, the calendar has changed so much that it probably isn't the same day, anyway. Has anyone converted it? And do we have enough information to?
Besides, I don't think it's true. The only reason some people believe it is because of the movie. People predicted the apocalypse in 2000, and on January 1st, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING HAPPENED. Why should this be any different?

[MrsSallyBakura]

Besides, I don't think it's true. The only reason some people believe it is because of the movie.

I agree with your post, but I think that people believed in it before the movie. They made the movie because people believed in it and knew that it would get a lot of attention and money.

[maisetofan]

Oh yeah lol remember Y2K? that came to nothing and people went into a frenzy
i kind of knew nothing would happen so i just shrugged when the clock hit midnight
i knew nothing spectacular was going to happen

[ThePRPD]

I want to say something snarky to Gremlin but I won't.
The only reason some people believe it is because of the movie.
I think that people believed in it before the movie.
People believed in it long before the movie was released. The prime suspect is the Mayan Calender.
However people also believe it because the planets will be in aligned that day or some other point at that year and in 2012 the sun is supposed to reach it's peak temperature.

Fortunately this isn't the first time it happened. Stuff like this happens every X amount of years.

[MrsSallyBakura]

Kinda makes you wonder when the next "end of the world" scenario gains popularity.

[HarleyThomas1002]

2019, 2029, and 2036. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/theobserver/2010/apr/18/bunker-mentality-ultimate-underground-shelter)

[grimfang999]

Not sure when the world will end but just a few dates which come to mind of potentially important events, just as guesses

-may 18th of this year-Just a date in my mind
-early spring-late summer 2014- rearranged numbers from when constantinople fell, possable a major city may be captured and destroyed
-2059-cataclysmic event- does not mean apocalypse, but may be quite dangerous

these are just me with dates which have stuck in my mind for no apparent reason.


now the end of the world is uncertain. Signs will possably occur of course, both spiritual and physical. I cant really say when it will occur or how. As far as I know it could end the way religion sees it with the four horsemen, which it likely will seeing as how they represent pestilence, war, starvation and death.

In short, I dont know but can definately guess a few dates

[greymagick711]

Well, we don't know the future. It could end at that time, but for some totally unrelated reason.

From this website (http://www.greatdreams.com/2012.htm): "Philip Plait has stated very clearly that the Mayan calendar does not end in 2012."
...whoever Philip Plait is, apparently he suggests they they just reset the calendar, or something. >.>

Nah, I don't personally believe it, but it would epically SUCK if it did end. I wouldn't even be out of college! D:

[grimfang999]

yeah, I think they just couldnt make the forth calander because they were invaded or something i dunno. There theorys actually say its the beginning of a new age, which kinda links to the age of Aquarius in zodiac spirituality

[greymagick711]

yeah, I think they just couldnt make the forth calander because they were invaded or something i dunno. There theorys actually say its the beginning of a new age, which kinda links to the age of Aquarius in zodiac spirituality

About the whole invasion thing: yeah, I blame conquistadors.

But with the whole "beginning of a new age", I got the feeling from the article was implying that the world is going the reset button on itself...as in, this one will cease and start anew.

:squintyface: Stfu, History Channel. Go back to actual history. IMHO, the only valid predictions of the end are the ones brought about by the human race, because those are the only ones we'd be able to semi-control. The random meteors hitting the earth are beyond what modern technology can help, sadly. (Well, maybe a nuclear missile can blast it away :/... )

Frankly speaking, not knowing the future is scary stuff. That the end of days occurring, so to speak, coming into popular culture might be a good warning regardless.