Death Note

[Insane]

This thread is pretty much for the general discussion of Death Note manga and anime, but not the DNTFG, keep that to it's own thread.

[darkarcher]

I'm just going to point out that this series has completed in both Japan and America, so spoiler tags are not required for any discussion here.

[Insane]

Thanks, I forgot that.

[Fat1Fared]

Well had my own in lite section, but everyone will come here now, so I will hijack your post

Well, just finished this manga and it was great

and some of the mind battle was really intense and cwl

Has anyone else read this?

Plot spoiler



EDITYear later and just realise their is major lack of tags here lolBut it is a shame light loses and also want to know what happened with some of Characters like Misa and his family=

[Insane]

I know, I love the manga, It really engrossed me, more than anything other manga I have ever read.

[darkarcher]

=But it is a shame light loses and also want to know what happened with some of Characters like Misa and his family
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Misa commits suicide and Sayu joins the Kira-cult.

[Fat1Fared]

sorry, already got Misa, answer, didn't mean to leave that in,

But are you sure Sayu joins Kira-cult, she was against him, you do not think it was her at the end do you, as I am sure it is not

[darkarcher]

I could be wrong. It's been half a year or more since I read it.

[easygoinguchiha]

I have read the entire manga, and watched the anime in english and japanese subbed, and I like the Anime a little bit better (although they are very similar) because the anime has a very good soundtrack and builds suspense very well, which is some that is very hard to do in the manga.

[AsteriskRocks]

Misa commits suicide and Sayu joins the Kira-cult.

Darn I was going to say that...

[Insane]

Fair enough, i'm going to watch the the remainder of the anime when I get the chance, I have only currently watched a couple of episodes.

[Kochiha]

The manga has all sorts of small nuances that you can't get in the anime (Takeshi Obata). It also doesn't have all of the drama that sometimes gets in the way of the plot. On the other hand, the anime has characters actually saying stuff, so you don't feel inclined to skip past the blocks of text that plague the more intelligent segments of the manga. The voices match the characters, too; you don't get that grating situation I experienced in the Tsubasa English dub (which was fine for the most part, except I hated the voice they got for Y?ko, but I digress...). And some of that drama has become integral to the Death Note mystique; if we didn't have the Death Note anime, we wouldn't have "What's Up, People?", which made me laugh my ass off when I heard it. (Japanese death metal...it's great and terrible at the same time.)


That, and the whole potato chip thing, further immortalized by this poop. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIwCLi_enUY)

[benjirimm]

I'm indifferent as the manga had more bulk to it and I liked the manga ending better but the anime had all the tension, presentation is amazing, an amazing soundtrack and voice acting was perfect was the best english cast i have ever heard in a dub, also on a side note I hear there making a english re-make of the japanese movies....................oh dear if that actually turns out good I will my own shoes, actually I'll do it if they manage to find someone who can actually portray L well or at least better than Ken'ichi because they will have a job doing that.

[xellos88]

I liked the manga better, i didnt even finished the anime

[iwatch2muchanime]

Death Note is better

[Fat1Fared]

what do you mean, Death note is better, better than what....unless just saying both are amazing and so doesn't matter

[Clank4Prez]

Just watched L's death. Very depressing.

[Oath]

Ben, the first movie was ok at best, but second was woeful, so we cannot do worse, Can we <yikes>

However put about it, in my movie reviewer page, as that is only just started (with Deathnote movie funnily enough) and needs some posts to get it going

Felt there needs to be a fan made reviewing site.

IM pretty sure holly wood is making a Death Note movie similar to the Grude Japanese to american remakes, hopefully it wont end up like One Missed Call which was made into such a bad horror that it could be a comedy....

also i like both the anime and manga

[Fat1Fared]

I heard it was english remake, have to check again, ether way the first one was watchable, second was poor and so with way western remakes go, it is not looking GOOD

[Hideous Progeny]

I haven't actually seen the anime, I'll have to get around to that at some point.
Til then, I withhold judgment!

[Fat1Fared]

Hid, read the Manga, Animie is ok, but lacks something and with manga, for whole of first half you will be on edge of your seat, it is brilliant

[Hideous Progeny]

Oh don't worry, I read it as soon as it got licensed and loved it. I made one of my sisters read it, too, so she would understand why I stopped buying them for a month after volume 7. (I relented and continued to 12.)
I just haven't seen the anime yet is all.

[Fat1Fared]

Oh ok, I couldn't get into Animie ether, I loved the manga, but just couldn't get into Animie for reason

Go to www.onemanga.com (this will allow you to scan any you want as well)

They have them, for free online, god sent for poor poeple lol

[maisetofan]

Um what about the third movie, prequel L saves the world?
I agree that the japanese movies were kinda crap except Ryuuk's design was amazingly good!

[VampireLemons]

Misa commits suicide and Sayu joins the Kira-cult.

Actually Sayu was mute/emotionally traumatized and never recovered from the Mafia-kidnapping, if I remember Volume 13 correctly. That girl at the end with the Kira-Cult who everyone assumes was Sayu wasn't actually Sayu. She was just an unnamed woman, as long as I'm remembering correctly what they said in DN13.

Not to mention that Sayu's kidnapping and resulting trauma was pretty much indirectly caused by Kira as well as her father and brother being killed (Since I don't remember if the Task Force ever told Sayu and her mother that Light was Kira or if they just said he died in the line of duty) and her family essentially torn to pieces, so I highly doubt she would even consider joining a cult to worship Kira.

Misa however does commit suicide. On Valentines day, I think it was. Irony.

[DannyLilithborne]

I liked the L movie and if you didn't like it, I probably don't like you.

[Fat1Fared]

Actually Sayu was mute/emotionally traumatized and never recovered from the Mafia-kidnapping, if I remember Volume 13 correctly. That girl at the end with the Kira-Cult who everyone assumes was Sayu wasn't actually Sayu. She was just an unnamed woman, as long as I'm remembering correctly what they said in DN13.

Not to mention that Sayu's kidnapping and resulting trauma was pretty much indirectly caused by Kira as well as her father and brother being killed (Since I don't remember if the Task Force ever told Sayu and her mother that Light was Kira or if they just said he died in the line of duty) and her family essentially torn to pieces, so I highly doubt she would even consider joining a cult to worship Kira.

Misa however does commit suicide. On Valentines day, I think it was. Irony.

Thank You Vamp, it keep saying that girl isn't Sayu, but never know really what happens to her, however in info book, does say that she went to her grave, not knowing truth about Kira/Light

Danny, why are you always a fool!!!!!! Your like some underling wannabe, but without brains, power or coolness

[Apple]

what do you mean, Death note is better, better than what....unless just saying both are amazing and so doesn't matter

Keep watching it gets better ^^

*spolier*
new characters come in and avenge L their mentor type from the orphanage
:p

[Apple]

Thank You Vamp, it keep saying that girl isn't Sayu, but never know really what happens to her, however in info book, does say that she went to her grave, not knowing truth about Kira/Light

Danny, why are you always a fool!!!!!! Your like some underling wannabe, but without brains, power or coolness

wow thats a little harsh dont u think?????????

[VampireLemons]

Thank You Vamp, it keep saying that girl isn't Sayu, but never know really what happens to her, however in info book, does say that she went to her grave, not knowing truth about Kira/Light.

I originally thought it was Sayu myself until I read Death Note 13, so. XD Yeah.

Personally, I am in love with B from Another Note. The way Mello describes him cracks me up.

[DannyLilithborne]

Danny, why are you always a fool!!!!!! Your like some underling wannabe, but without brains, power or coolness
.................tesfissowerwe.....

Sorry. I got an aneurysm from the stupid.

*ignore list time, for the sake of my sanity*

[Fat1Fared]

wow thats a little harsh dont u think?????????

Apple I am not like that with most poeple as you know, but Danny it the one person on this site who rubes me up the wrong way, he is just rude for sake of being rube and I don't like it at all

Vampire when say B, who you mean?

If don't include Kira (or L,) I love the ex-FIB agent Naomi Misora, she is one person who's detective skills match that of L's and Kira's (well apart from Near and Mello, but they don't court, as they are just a way to revive L in story and are rubbish characters lol)

and love head of Sukura TV

[VampireLemons]

Apple I am not like that with most poeple as you know, but Danny it the one person on this site who rubes me up the wrong way, he is just rude for sake of being rube and I don't like it at all

Vampire when say B, who you mean?

If don't include Kira (or L,) I love the ex-FIB agent Naomi Misora, she is one person who's detective skills match that of L's and Kira's (well apart from Near and Mello, but they don't court, as they are just a way to revive L in story and are rubbish characters lol)

and love head of Sukura TV

B. BB. Beyond Birthday. Have you never read LABB, Another Note? It's the Death Note novel, and I am in so much love with it. =D

Mainly because B as described by Mello just cracks me up.Also because Naomi kicks L down a set of stairs for sexual harassment at the end.

[Fat1Fared]

Know, though I really like Naomi, I never read that, as generally dislike money spinners and that is just what that is (sucking off fans loyalty) I will read and buy orginials, but never extras

PS you should join the Deathnote group

[VampireLemons]

xD It's actually been acknowledged as canon by the Death Note creators. They said they enjoyed the story themselves. Not to mention it's a damned awesome book.

I believe they actually mention the book/BB in Volume 13 and even put the events of LABB into the Death Note timeline in Volume 13. I need to get my own copy of DN13 though to confirm it.

[Insane]

I finally got around to watching the Death Note movies; I though that the first one was quite good, I liked how it covered what, in the manga, was quite a short length of time in such detail, despite the strong variations.
The second one was worse, it tried to rush everything, it seemed like they desparately didn't want another movie so they crammed stuff in randomly; it didn't work.

[DannyLilithborne]

I liked the second one better myself, more for how they ended it. I find it hard to believe that the original creators of the manga didn't realize that solution.

[TheDreamMaster]

I actually have not gotten around to watching the anime of DN. I loved the manga, and actually enjoyed both films. Haven't had a chance to see the L film yet. However, I want to know one thing: I read the novel, and liked it a lot, but what the hell is up with the so-called American names? Backyard Bottomslash, really? I'd take Benjamin Button over that :D

[VampireLemons]

I think they were purposefully going for names that were "english" yet so obviously unique because of B. It had to do with his clues, I believe. I read it on Wiki, but it's been awhile so I don't remember what it said so well.

As for the movies, I like them dubbed over. they're hilarious because of it. Ryuk's Shadow coming for Light on his wall will always be my favorite scene.

[maisetofan]

ack the dub is horrible in my personal opinion

[VampireLemons]

ack the dub is horrible in my personal opinion

It is. That's why I love it so much. The hilarity factor. I have a feeling I'm not going to like the American Death Note remake movies, even if they don't cast Zac as Light. Something about the dub and their mouths not quite matching the voice-overs is just funny.

That and they had the actual voice actors do the dubbing so when they spoke, it really was their English voices. I doubt they'll do that for the remakes, so. It'll make me kinda sad.

[Fat1Fared]

Like I have said, the first movie is watchable, the second is woeful and all DUB's SUCK, as they look ridiculous

PS I have already caste my support for Zacky Boy with Avatar

Edit I cannot believe going to say this, but going to agree with Danni, and change what said a bit, most DUB's suck, but Animie is actually ok, however movie is woeful (though it is a lot easier to do an animie dub well, yet they still fail at times <facepalm>

[VampireLemons]

I'm planning to go see the third movie this month whenit comes out. XD;;

And then going to buy the dubs off Amazon eventually.

[DannyLilithborne]

The anime dub is fine. But the live action dub is a nice try, but just doesn't work.

[imphic]

There is an alleged American live action adaptation (with Zac Efron attached as Light) in the works, but the failure of Dragonball: Evolution might dealy or kill it.

[Fat1Fared]

imphic, they already own the rights and it is believed the caste is already done as well (The Zac Effon thing is a joke by the users on here <Points to Avatar>)

-though it is not known when going to be released, it is already set up and ready to go, thinking DragonBall=The Fail Sagra will stop them is wishful thinking mate, they will make money no matter how bad it is, and that is all they care about

[darkarcher]

There is an alleged American live action adaptation (with Zac Efron attached as Light) in the works, but the failure of Dragonball: Evolution might dealy or kill it.

DBE was not a failure from a box office standpoint, especially in Japan.

Just goes to show that even horrible movies can get good turnouts if it's laughably bad.

[NotJames]

ahh, i never really got into either

[imphic]

imphic, they already own the rights and it is believed the caste is already done as well (The Zac Effon thing is a joke by the users on here <Points to Avatar>)

-though it is not known when going to be released, it is already set up and ready to go, thinking DragonBall=The Fail Sagra will stop them is wishful thinking mate, they will make money no matter how bad it is, and that is all they care about

I'm easily tricked. I wonder who is going to be Light then and how much of the story they are going to do.

[Insane]

Apparently it might be Zac Efron, but all of that was discussed in another thread.

[berober04]

I've only just started watching this. But whoa, I've got something to do all day tomorrow

[roxasabridged]

DN = awesome.

I want to watch L: Change the World (I think that's it), but can't find it...

[AsterGray]

DN = awesome.

I want to watch L: Change the World (I think that's it), but can't find it...

Yeah that's the one...
I dunno if it'll be that good though, considering it's a spin-off of a movie that was medicore at best.

[DannyLilithborne]

Yeah that's the one...
I dunno if it'll be that good though, considering it's a spin-off of a movie that was medicore at best.
Disagree entirely.

Death Note live action movies were better than the manga or the anime IMO because L wins in the end. And L: Change the WorLd is one of my favorite movies because L is a great character and other than L being basically immortal throughout the whole thing, supernatural hoo-hah doesn't play a role in it.

[animex75]

i liked the manga better because the dub skipped alotta stuff frm mello's hideout, but L's lil freak out was ALOT funnier in the anime (cuz it didnt hav him just fallin outta tht chair w/ no action), tho i HATED the ending of the anime, i mean c'mon light runnin like a coward? tht was outta character whereas the manga ending was just like light....and mikami's death changed 2 suicide on the spot was just shitty, i liked the whole 'dyin in jail' thing cuz it brought up the question of whether near used the dn on him

....i think ive pretty much made me point....o, and i was always wonderin if theyd ever find naomi, nope...(unless its mentioned in somethin i havent read...)

[DannyLilithborne]

i HATED the ending of the anime, i mean c'mon light runnin like a coward?
Light is a coward.

If you disagree, you are wrong.

[animex75]

i know hes a coward, but tht was a bit more out-of-character than begging ryuk 2 kill (then again, not asking specifically to kill them wasnt like him either)

[Fat1Fared]

Light is a coward.

If you disagree, you are wrong.

This part removed due to complaint.

I DISAGREE, just because he doesn't throw himself into danger needlessly, doesn't make him a coward, it makes him smart

whether you agree with his plans or not, it took guts to do (otherwise under your logic, L is coward as well)

[DannyLilithborne]

Oh Great Danni, though I know your opinion is always fact,

I DISAGREE, just because he doesn't throw himself into danger needlessly, doesn't make him a coward, it makes him smart

whether you agree with his plans or not, it took guts to do (otherwise under your logic, L is coward as well)
I took you off ignore for this one post, so I am going to ignore your sarcasm and believe you are really respecting my opinion.

You are wrong. The fact that Light doesn't throw himself into danger is EXACTLY what makes him a coward. If you're going to say L is a coward for that reason... he FUCKING SHOWED HIS FACE FOR THE FIRST TIME for this case.

This part removed for blatant flames.

[darkarcher]

You're still a fucking idiot
Inappropriate.

[DannyLilithborne]

Inappropriate.
As compared to his blatantly condescending sarcasm which is A-OK?

If you're gonna be consistent, you should delete Fat1Fared's post, too, or I'm just gonna keep replying to him with the same thing.

[darkarcher]

As compared to his blatantly condescending sarcasm which is A-OK?

If you're gonna be consistent, you should delete Fat1Fared's post, too, or I'm just gonna keep replying to him with the same thing.

Okay, if you feel like your opinion isn't being respected then say so before cussing them out and calling them an idiot.

@ Fared: Okay, it's become a complaint now so please cut down on the sarcasm.

[Turtlicious]

HMM

maybe we could have real opinions without blatant flaming

sarcasm is humorous flaming is retarded sorry delete if I'm just starting sh!t

and no there's a difference between cowardice and intelligence knowing you are gonna die means you'd have to be pretty damn stupid to go out and say HEY EVERYONE IM KIRA BUT PROMISE YOU WONT ARREST ME!

[DannyLilithborne]

and no there's a difference between cowardice and intelligence knowing you are gonna die means you'd have to be pretty damn stupid to go out and say HEY EVERYONE IM KIRA BUT PROMISE YOU WONT ARREST ME!
I think Light proved he was a coward when he tried to talk his way out of being 100% confirmed that he was Kira and, when unable to do so, tried to say that the world was better with Kira alive so they shouldn't bring him in to justice.

Honestly, I wanted Matsuda to kill him, although I know he'd regret it for the rest of his life.

[Turtlicious]

I think that was a ploy a brilliant ploy that would have won the proverbial chess match

[DannyLilithborne]

I think that was a ploy a brilliant ploy that would have won the proverbial chess match
Chess games won with bluffs are Pyrrhic victories.

[VampireLemons]

Light was a coward, in a lot of ways. Pretty damn bold to sit there and think he could be god and bring about peace single handedly, but still a coward to hide behind other faces, and when it came down to the end and he knew he'd lost.

Either way, I'm not sure if I like the anime or manga ending better. (>>I liked seeing L at the end again, but the ending was more blunt and less dramatic in the manga.)

[animex75]

Light was a coward, in a lot of ways. Pretty damn bold to sit there and think he could be god and bring about peace single handedly, but still a coward to hide behind other faces, and when it came down to the end and he knew he'd lost.

Either way, I'm not sure if I like the anime or manga ending better. (>>I liked seeing L at the end again, but the ending was more blunt and less dramatic in the manga.)
i, personally, liked teh manga's ending better cuz the mental breakdown-Light had obviously been close in either of the endings, but the anime's didnt hav a breakdown, it had him run away instead of begging Ryuk to kill (2 bad he didnt say them)

[Turtlicious]

I don't know I honestly believe lght was the good guy even if he did do it in a manipulative way he was Lawful Evil doing the right thing at any cost. If death note was real I'd probably be a kira worshipper

[Fat1Fared]

I took you off ignore for this one post, so I am going to ignore your sarcasm and believe you are really respecting my opinion.

You are wrong. The fact that Light doesn't throw himself into danger is EXACTLY what makes him a coward. If you're going to say L is a coward for that reason... he FUCKING SHOWED HIS FACE FOR THE FIRST TIME for this case.

This part removed for blatant flames.

Danni, the reason I took mick out of you, is simple, your kind of person who thinks opinion is fact, and I find poeple who think that, funny and annoying at same time, aspecially when they are so self-rightous they believe they have right to call someone else evil for liking a character in a book:-

So you think the only ones who are brave, are those who throw themselves into danger needlessly, well that is foolish in my opinion, (remember those are poeple who normally get others killed or in danger, IE mountian climbers, who go on mountians not ready for, meaning rescuers have to risk thier lives to save them)

to be brave is where do something which faces your fears no matter how big or small,) in best way can, like holy once said, If I go into a shopping centre and shoot 6 poeple, then run head first at a line of armed police, am I brave:-Not my opinion, stupid and insane, maybe, but never brave

Light did something dangerous and isn't a coward for trying limit that danger, he is merely doing smart thing
=Now if Light had had done what he saw as wrong thing, because of fear, then he was coward, but in end, he did what he saw as right thing, in the way which was most likely to have best results for him and his beliefs, if that is what coward is, then everyone but those who try to get themselves into bad/overly dangerous positions, are cowards

[roxasabridged]

Light was a coward? If he didn't do what he did, he would have lost long ago. He was intelligent, and used his intelligence to hide his Kira side from L, right under his nose. If he boldly claimed he was Kira, he would have been screwed. Writing a name takes a bit longer than shooting or tackling someone, so he couldn't exactly kill everyone against him on the spot. Plus he wouldn't know everyone's names in the long run.

[Turtlicious]

UNLESS HE GOT TEH EYES

HE ALSO HAD HIS WORSHIPPERS IT WOULD BE A WAR

UNTRAINED FANGIRLS VERSUS TRAINED SOLDIERS

[WeirdSmells]

Light did exactly what L did except admit his identity because, well, if he did that he would've died. Unlike L who can hide behind no one knowing his name, Light would be shot on the spot because you don't need any extra information to shoot someone.

[animex75]

i.e. being a coward=smart on his part

[DannyLilithborne]

Danni, the reason I took mick out of you, is simple, your kind of person who thinks opinion is fact, and I find poeple who think that, funny and annoying at same time, aspecially when they are so self-rightous they believe they have right to call someone else evil for liking a character in a book:-
It's ironic that you say that, especially considering I never once said that my opinion was absolute fact. Only God can do that kind of thing; it is not in my power to do so. Although I hold my own opinion in high regard, you're free to disagree. I'll just think you're wrong.

You're calling me dumb for having a strong opinion about a character in a book, but here you are getting upset about how I feel about Light. And if you are annoyed by me, then you are playing right into my hands. Don't be annoyed.

So you think the only ones who are brave, are those who throw themselves into danger needlessly, well that is foolish in my opinion, (remember those are poeple who normally get others killed or in danger, IE mountian climbers, who go on mountians not ready for, meaning rescuers have to risk thier lives to save them)
I never said that. Throwing yourself into danger needlessly is stupid, too. But on the other hand, that is exactly what Light did when he started to use the Death Note to eliminate criminals, and he knew it.

to be brave is where do something which faces your fears no matter how big or small,) in best way can, like holy once said, If I go into a shopping centre and shoot 6 poeple, then run head first at a line of armed police, am I brave:-Not my opinion, stupid and insane, maybe, but never brave
The person who goes into a shopping center and kills six people is acting out of fear. He is either doing something he thinks is good in his eyes (eliminating all the complacent sheeple, perhaps?) or he's trying to achieve suicide-by-cop (more common than you think). To believe he is merely insane is to separate yourself from him and therefore doom yourself to never understand this behavior, and it will happen again.

Light did something dangerous and isn't a coward for trying limit that danger, he is merely doing smart thing
=Now if Light had had done what he saw as wrong thing, because of fear, then he was coward, but in end, he did what he saw as right thing, in the way which was most likely to have best results for him and his beliefs, if that is what coward is, then everyone but those who try to get themselves into bad/overly dangerous positions, are cowards
Light knew he was doing wrong, and said so. "I knew killing people was against the law, but something had to be done." He made a game out of hiding from lawful justice as early as episode 2, and trying to hide yourself from consequences is the very definition of cowardice. When he was caught and had no way out, he resorted to bluffing, and when that didn't work, he tried to manipulate Matsuda's sense of justice against him, which quite literally backfired. (I don't know if this happened in the manga. If that's what you're talking about, I apologize; I simply do not have the energy to read the manga right now, due to illness.)

Again, while I think you are 100% wrong in your defense of Light, and speak harshly at you because of that, you are holding yourself back by getting annoyed at me. If you seriously want to play this game, you should stop being irritated and consider the truth ? my opinions, as strong as I express them, are not fact and I've never considered them as such, so you're getting angry at a person that does not exist.

I will respond to other people in the next post.

[DannyLilithborne]

Light was a coward? If he didn't do what he did, he would have lost long ago. He was intelligent, and used his intelligence to hide his Kira side from L, right under his nose. If he boldly claimed he was Kira, he would have been screwed. Writing a name takes a bit longer than shooting or tackling someone, so he couldn't exactly kill everyone against him on the spot. Plus he wouldn't know everyone's names in the long run.
You say he's intelligent? It depends on what you consider one's goal to be. Light undeniably had book smarts, and he was very clever at coming up with plans on the spot. However, hiding from people and killing those opposed to him are not really god-like traits (maybe the institutional Christian or Muslim God, who is a psychopathic madman that doesn't resemble the real God, but that's another discussion), and to take such steps to preserve one's own life are, while intelligent, also quite cowardly in the sense that he was not willing to actually risk his own life to achieve his goals. Sure, he said his life was in danger from the beginning, but dying of any way other than a natural cause was not something he ever considered as a real possibility. He was just too smart.

Light did exactly what L did except admit his identity because, well, if he did that he would've died. Unlike L who can hide behind no one knowing his name, Light would be shot on the spot because you don't need any extra information to shoot someone.
The Kira Investigation Team wouldn't have simply shot him. L was very adamant about bringing Kira to justice via legal means.

I don't know I honestly believe lght was the good guy even if he did do it in a manipulative way he was Lawful Evil doing the right thing at any cost. If death note was real I'd probably be a kira worshipper
I don't doubt that.

If Death Note were real, I would probably be like Matsuda, because he seems to support Kira in the motivational sense, but when face to face with who Kira is, his anger at what was sacrificed would get the better of him.

[animex75]

in the manga, Matsuda shoots Light like 3-4 times

[DannyLilithborne]

in the manga, Matsuda shoots Light like 3-4 times
He did that on his own volition, not the team's. They held him back from killing him, IIRC.

[animex75]

He did that on his own volition, not the team's. They held him back from killing him, IIRC.
ya, just funny as hell watchin Matsuda shoot Light 3-4 times, instead of once

[DannyLilithborne]

ya, just funny as hell watchin Matsuda shoot Light 3-4 times, instead of once
Ah, okay. I was just wondering if you were saying that in response to me saying the Kira investigation team wanted to bring Kira to justice via legal means.

[animex75]

Ah, okay. I was just wondering if you were saying that in response to me saying the Kira investigation team wanted to bring Kira to justice via legal means.
nah, just the thing bout Matsuda shooting Light

[Turtlicious]

which was funny and sad

[DannyLilithborne]

Actually, I just checked. Matsuda shoots Light once then asks him about why his father had to die. When Light tries to write Near's name in his blood, Matsuda shoots him four times and is about to kill him when the task force holds him back. So yeah, Matsuda shoots him hella in the anime, too.

[animex75]

Actually, I just checked. Matsuda shoots Light once then asks him about why his father had to die. When Light tries to write Near's name in his blood, Matsuda shoots him four times and is about to kill him when the task force holds him back. So yeah, Matsuda shoots him hella in the anime, too.
hmm...musta 4got bout tht in the anime....

[Turtlicious]

whats up with that

[Fat1Fared]

It's ironic that you say that, especially considering I never once said that my opinion was absolute fact. Only God can do that kind of thing; it is not in my power to do so. Although I hold my own opinion in high regard, you're free to disagree. I'll just think you're wrong.

You're calling me dumb for having a strong opinion about a character in a book, but here you are getting upset about how I feel about Light. And if you are annoyed by me, then you are playing right into my hands. Don't be annoyed.


Well can't I say same thing, only with more merit, because I made a sarcastic joke, you just started making defamitery comments at me <facepalm1>

And when you say, anyone who disagrees is 100% wrong, sounds very complete to me <facepalm2>

I didn't call you dumb, I said your opinion seems foolish to me, their is major different.

Yes you annoy me, for simple reason your nasty to other poeple, and so I got sarsactic with you


I never said that. Throwing yourself into danger needlessly is stupid, too. But on the other hand, that is exactly what Light did when he started to use the Death Note to eliminate criminals, and he knew it.


No he didn't see it as needlessly dangerous, he saw it as a needed risk, to do right thing, I may not agree with his actions, but I think he did what he thought was right, at first


The person who goes into a shopping center and kills six people is acting out of fear. He is either doing something he thinks is good in his eyes (eliminating all the complacent sheeple, perhaps?) or he's trying to achieve suicide-by-cop (more common than you think). To believe he is merely insane is to separate yourself from him and therefore doom yourself to never understand this behavior, and it will happen again.


So you what these poeple are thinking? (no you don't, the only poeple who really know what they are thinking and reasons behind them, are the people themselves)

And in thi case, the reason doesn't matter, the point is what they are doing being brave, dispite putting themselves in dangerous position


Light knew he was doing wrong, and said so. "I knew killing people was against the law, but something had to be done." He made a game out of hiding from lawful justice as early as episode 2, and trying to hide yourself from consequences is the very definition of cowardice. When he was caught and had no way out, he resorted to bluffing, and when that didn't work, he tried to manipulate Matsuda's sense of justice against him, which quite literally backfired. (I don't know if this happened in the manga. If that's what you're talking about, I apologize; I simply do not have the energy to read the manga right now, due to illness.)


So he did what he saw as lesser of two evils, many poeple have done this, doesn't make them evil or cowards

Also, just because something is against law, doesn't make it wrong and just because something follows law, doesn't make it right (it is very naive view to think it is and that is one of reasons Raito does what he does)

So because he tried to escape death, he is a coward, then apart from sicidual poeple, everyone is coward? (It is a natural thing, born into almost every person, and now maybe you are right that, it would have been brave to stand up and be counted for actions at the end, however that is one action, one moment where lose your courage, doesn't make you a coward, so if you base your whole agrument on him being a coward, because he didn't throw himself into needless danger and one moment in his life when he was facing almost serion death, he panicked, then you are basically saying that:-

1=Being brave or coward is 100% thing, it isn't
2=One weak moment in your live will be the one you are defined by, which is very harsh
3=Under your view VERY HUMAN who ever lived was courage


Again, while I think you are 100% wrong in your defense of Light, and speak harshly at you because of that, you are holding yourself back by getting annoyed at me. If you seriously want to play this game, you should stop being irritated and consider the truth ? my opinions, as strong as I express them, are not fact and I've never considered them as such, so you're getting angry at a person that does not exist.



Coming from the person who said "Your a fucking idiot" <facepalm3>

and "You like Kira as character, you are terrible and evil person" <facepalm4>

[roxasabridged]

You say he's intelligent? It depends on what you consider one's goal to be. Light undeniably had book smarts, and he was very clever at coming up with plans on the spot. However, hiding from people and killing those opposed to him are not really god-like traits (maybe the institutional Christian or Muslim God, who is a psychopathic madman that doesn't resemble the real God, but that's another discussion), and to take such steps to preserve one's own life are, while intelligent, also quite cowardly in the sense that he was not willing to actually risk his own life to achieve his goals. Sure, he said his life was in danger from the beginning, but dying of any way other than a natural cause was not something he ever considered as a real possibility. He was just too smart.

If your life's goal is to become a 'God', then you have to be extremely intelligent to avoid being arrested for mass murder. He managed to avoid being caught by L and killed him. At this point, insanity seems to cloud his intelligence...
Light probably wouldn't have seen using others to die for him as God - like traits. Maybe 'necessary sacrifice for the greater good'. Unless his views on being a God is drastically different to everyone elses, which wouldn't be too hard to consider.

[animex75]

heh, i did kinda achieve my goal....tho the world went back to being evil, o well I'M BACk

[DannyLilithborne]

Coming from the person who said "Your a fucking idiot" <facepalm3>

and "You like Kira as character, you are terrible and evil person" <facepalm4>
And I stand by those. They're my opinions, mind you.

Back on the ignore list you go. I should have known better than to try to reason with someone who thinks <facepalm> is an argument.

If your life's goal is to become a 'God', then you have to be extremely intelligent to avoid being arrested for mass murder. He managed to avoid being caught by L and killed him. At this point, insanity seems to cloud his intelligence...
Light probably wouldn't have seen using others to die for him as God - like traits. Maybe 'necessary sacrifice for the greater good'. Unless his views on being a God is drastically different to everyone elses, which wouldn't be too hard to consider.
When Light declared his intent to become "God of a new world" in episode 1, I admit that I was confused. To be God, he would have to never die so that his intent could be properly served in perpetuity. Instead, he had a very short sighted goal that involved counting on those who agreed with "Kira" in principle and finding a successor that way. He didn't seem to count on those people having wills of their own, and that's what screwed him in the end.

[animex75]

i messed up bad, but now i AM immortal!

[Fat1Fared]

And I stand by those. They're my opinions, mind you.

Back on the ignore list you go. I should have known better than to try to reason with someone who thinks <facepalm> is an argument.



My point is your saying I'm getting upet and annoyed, and not making proper points and yet their is two points that show far more emotion than any of my points and look lot more like a childish comment made from anger than any of mine (I'm not saying I haven't be been childish, but who is one who makes nasty comments to other users, then when someone gives him little back, starts crying and saying "your on my ingore list" as if I would be upset by it <facepalm4> (I can do better points than facepalm, but they would just be wasted on you (this last bit was a joke))

If your life's goal is to become a 'God', then you have to be extremely intelligent to avoid being arrested for mass murder. He managed to avoid being caught by L and killed him. At this point, insanity seems to cloud his intelligence...
Light probably wouldn't have seen using others to die for him as God - like traits. Maybe 'necessary sacrifice for the greater good'. Unless his views on being a God is drastically different to everyone elses, which wouldn't be too hard to consider.

I think his judgement didn't get beaten by insanity, but more beaten by his own succuss, he won against everyone at first, which meant by the end, he almost thought losing simply couldn't happen to him, he thought that everyone would do just what he wanted and everything would go as he planned everytime, as that was what had happened everytime before:-

Scarily enough, I'm going to agree with Danni on something, he forgot that other poeple could do things as well and that he wasn't only who would make actions and he forgot that though he was brillient (in his own insane way) he was still human and he could misjudge things, such as Mikami (he also had bit of bad luck)

[QuirkBiscuits]

Matsuda was my favourite character. I liked the way he acted on emotion, and the way everyone thought he was an idiot. It takes skill to accurately handstand on then fall of a balcony, landing perfectly on a mattress. And I felt sorry for him, crying and shooting Light at the end.

[DannyLilithborne]

Matsuda was my favourite character. I liked the way he acted on emotion, and the way everyone thought he was an idiot. It takes skill to accurately handstand on then fall of a balcony, landing perfectly on a mattress. And I felt sorry for him, crying and shooting Light at the end.
Matsuda, I feel, is the "audience perspective" character; we're supposed to sympathize with him the most. At the beginning, he expresses sympathy towards Kira's viewpoint while maintaining that what Kira is doing is wrong, and doing his best to be of help. Ultimately, in the end, he realizes that Kira's viewpoint is what caused him to be this way, and that's what makes him snap.

In the manga/anime, his experience with Light and his realization that Light was Kira caused Matsuda to emotionally snap; who he knew as "Light" was a lie. In the film, he is able to put that aside and do his duty, and that just made him all the more awesome. However, either way, he is awesome.

[QuirkBiscuits]

Yeah, I found myself sharing his views on Kira. I liked the part where he snapped - mostly because he'd seen and handled a hell of a lot of stuff before pretty well. It took me by surprise when Matsuda was the one to almost kill Light at the end and I think it made me like him a whole lot more.

[animex75]

same here....tho i still say Light shoulda won, being the main character and all

[DannyLilithborne]

same here....tho i still say Light shoulda won, being the main character and all
Being the main character doesn't guarantee a win.

cf. Cowboy Bebop, and most of Shakespeare.

[animex75]

Being the main character doesn't guarantee a win.

cf. Cowboy Bebop, and most of Shakespeare.
he has nothing ta do w/ anime

@1st ex: nvr seen it

[roxasabridged]

he has nothing ta do w/ anime

@1st ex: nvr seen it

I think he has had a few manga vsrsions of his work made (A friend had one) So chances are there's some anime adaptions.

[animex75]

I think he has had a few manga vsrsions of his work made (A friend had one) So chances are there's some anime adaptions.
if so, thts the surprise of the century......

[DannyLilithborne]

he has nothing ta do w/ anime
I was talking storytelling in general.

[animex75]

I was talking storytelling in general.
i know, but anime has different laws than theatre and real life

[AsteriskRocks]

he has nothing ta do w/ anime

@1st ex: nvr seen it

You forgot Jojo's Bizarre Adventure Part 1

[animex75]

You forgot Jojo's Bizarre Adventure Part 1
wha.....?
:confused:

[VampireLemons]

Matsuda, I feel, is the "audience perspective" character; we're supposed to sympathize with him the most. At the beginning, he expresses sympathy towards Kira's viewpoint while maintaining that what Kira is doing is wrong, and doing his best to be of help. Ultimately, in the end, he realizes that Kira's viewpoint is what caused him to be this way, and that's what makes him snap.

In the manga/anime, his experience with Light and his realization that Light was Kira caused Matsuda to emotionally snap; who he knew as "Light" was a lie. In the film, he is able to put that aside and do his duty, and that just made him all the more awesome. However, either way, he is awesome.

Agreed. Matsuda's one of my favorites, emotionally. (The rest are only because they're pretty. >.>) He's the only one who actually made me cry at the end. Was sad to see him freak out like that, when he realizes "Light" was a lie and "Kira" was the truth.

He deserved better than what Light did to him. O:

At least in the epilogue, he seemed okay. <3

EDIT: and there's some "manga" versions of Shakespeare, yeah. Romero and Juliet is a manga, but it's not a true manga. It uses the dialogue word for word and just adds images in the same style as manga to tell the story. My library has a copy and I picked it up thinking it'd be a manga based on Romeo and Juliet. I was disappointed when it was just the script with pictures.

[DannyLilithborne]

EDIT: and there's some "manga" versions of Shakespeare, yeah. Romero and Juliet is a manga, but it's not a true manga. It uses the dialogue word for word and just adds images in the same style as manga to tell the story. My library has a copy and I picked it up thinking it'd be a manga based on Romeo and Juliet. I was disappointed when it was just the script with pictures.
Well, if you want an anime-fied R&J, there's always "Romeo X Juliet".

[Noah Kaiba]

Indifferent. I haven't read the manga yet. -_-

[Fat1Fared]

Yeah, I found myself sharing his views on Kira. I liked the part where he snapped - mostly because he'd seen and handled a hell of a lot of stuff before pretty well. It took me by surprise when Matsuda was the one to almost kill Light at the end and I think it made me like him a whole lot more.

I felt they kind of built his character for it personally, I mean he was meant to be representation of the common man:-
=Not too bright
=Brave
=Succussful
=Ambitious
=Evil
=Good
....etc

He had these, they were just at normal level, which is why he was always overran by his surpiour counterparts, and so it was meant to be symbol of world, that where all surpiour poeple failed, the common man succeeded as it was for common man that Kira had to fall, therefore common man would make him fall (also probably meant to show that anyone can do anything, but not sure that DN is that kind of Manga:- )

AnimeX, I think he should have won, because it would go against normal writing (I mean it was too normal an ending, and felt it ruined an otherwise unpredictable manga)

[VampireLemons]

I felt they kind of built his character for it personally, I mean he was meant to be representation of the common man:-
=Not too bright
=Brave
=Succussful
=Ambitious
=Evil
=Good
....etc

He had these, they were just at normal level, which is why he was always overran by his surpiour counterparts, and so it was meant to be symbol of world, that where all surpiour poeple failed, the common man succeeded as it was for common man that Kira had to fall, therefore common man would make him fall (also probably meant to show that anyone can do anything, but not sure that DN is that kind of Manga:- )

AnimeX, I think he should have won, because it would go against normal writing (I mean it was too normal an ending, and felt it ruined an otherwise unpredictable manga)
How exactly is a pitiful death by heart attack by a supernatural being a normal ending?

Unless you mean normal ending in the "the good guys win and the bad guys die horrible terrible pitiful deaths" kind of way, which makes more sense, since it is a normal way to end a story that involves someone "good" and someone "evil".

[VampireLemons]

well the death can change in itself, but that doesn't effect the storyline and meant normal ending, in that person with grand plan to take over and change world is stopped and it was predictable (Don't read unless seen past halfway) One of things I loved about the first half was the ending to it, when L died, I thought right to the end, L would somehow win, probably in similar way to way he did in movie (though saw movie after read manga) and so when he was kill, I was amazed, which made all better read, then when Near and Mello came along from the start, you just knew they would stop Kira and plan's, because of course no publisher will allow someone like Kira to win

Mello's death was unexpected for me. He seemed stronger to me than Near, so I expected Near to die and Mello to live and solve the case. It was a good ending though, for Mello. I liked it, even though I was sad.

[berober04]

...I like Chief Yagami

[roxasabridged]

...I like Chief Yagami

Yeah, the true good guy in the anime.

[animex75]

and manga

[Fat1Fared]

Mello's death was unexpected for me. He seemed stronger to me than Near, so I expected Near to die and Mello to live and solve the case. It was a good ending though, for Mello. I liked it, even though I was sad.

I agree, I liked his death as it was interesting, but felt he was always going to die out of two, because he was too much of anti-hero

though suppose harsh to call any of them full hero's or villains

[Sarago]

The main selling point of death note was always the characters. I think Light was one of the more interesting protagonists to come around in a while. He was so different before he got the death note, and like we saw when he lost his memories for a while, if anyone else had gotten it he would have been first in line to bring him to justice. But he still turned into a monster in no time at all.

[PBnSpots]

I loved the anime and I'm currently reading the manga. I freaked out at the end and I was crying. lol. Bt it kind of upsets me that Light didn't kill L...I mean I didn't want L to die b/c he was my favorite character, but it was stupid that Rem killed him even though it was Light's plan to get rid of both L and Rem. *sigh* Ah well.

[animex75]

i liked how teh manga ended, i finished it b4 the anime so i was annoyed bout some of wat they cut out (like finding out bout Sidoh) and the ending

[DannyLilithborne]

I loved the anime and I'm currently reading the manga. I freaked out at the end and I was crying. lol. Bt it kind of upsets me that Light didn't kill L...I mean I didn't want L to die b/c he was my favorite character, but it was stupid that Rem killed him even though it was Light's plan to get rid of both L and Rem. *sigh* Ah well.
...Does not compute.

Why the hell would Light kill L himself when he could take down the person preventing him from killing Misa if he had to? Two birds, one stone.

[Masquerade5020]

pst, Wammy's Boys fans:
http://forum.yugiohtheabridgedseries.com/group.php?groupid=199

[JC Denton]

what I've read so far the manga is extremely close to the anime (or rather the other way around), hope it doesn't go down the drain so badly after L's demise like the anime does

[DannyLilithborne]

The anime is mostly close, but the ending is radically different in terms of events.

edit: Um, the manga came first.

[ChouToshio]

Obata-sensei's art rocks, L keeps things interesting until he dies, and Light is definitely gay.

An interesting cop story that sadly failed to make any real commentary on the discussion of justice and ethics that was set up as the basis of the story. Ultimately, Death Note fails to reach true greatness . . . mostly because none of the characters play children's card games.

3 / 5 dark magicians. [/end]

[Panikkay]

The anime is mostly close, but the ending is radically different in terms of events.

edit: Um, the manga came first.

Personally, I prefer the ending in the anime. Mikami was boring in the last chapter,"ASDFDSHGFEWG UR NAWT GAWD!" as compared to "FFFFFF--" *stabs self in artery with fountain pen* *blood spews everywhereeee*

[SillySamSocks]

I just finished watching the anime a few days ago. I loved it! I don't how I didn't discover Death Note sooner. Now I'm going to read the anime.

[roxasabridged]

read the anime.

Wait, What?

[Masquerade5020]

Wait, What?

:thatface:

[Persona]

Deathnote, was a good anime. Though, I got sad when L died v.v; and then light had to go all postal crazy....>.>; yeah weird ending.. xD other than that it was awesome.

[JC Denton]

deathnote is stereotypical black-white (like how all criminals are ugly, and all criminals are men:thatface:) to a ridiculous extreme, to top it off it's very sexist, most women are retarded barbie dolls who can barely speak right

"Death Note" is also a synonym for unrealisticness, especially later in the series

all the tension gets lost after L dies but I already wrote that, heh

[Masquerade5020]

Deathnote, was a good anime. Though, I got sad when L died v.v; and then light had to go all postal crazy....>.>; yeah weird ending.. xD other than that it was awesome.

I feel your pain. And Light scares the hell outta me.

[Fat1Fared]

deathnote is stereotypical black-white (like how all criminals are ugly, and all criminals are men:thatface:) to a ridiculous extreme, to top it off it's very sexist, most women are retarded barbie dolls who can barely speak right

"Death Note" is also a synonym for unrealisticness, especially later in the series

all the tension gets lost after L dies but I already wrote that, heh

Ok first can people please put curtain information in spoilers, though it is unlikely there are people out their who have not seen it and the above could seriously ruin it for them

As for this, black-white, where do you get off, sure the unimportant criminals are stereotypes, but if you bothered to think about it, rather than just offhandedly disliking everything which is popular, you would realise they did that for a reason, think about it, it is a kid (for all intents and purposes, as too far gone by time grows up) who is foolish enough to believe he can/should be judge/jury and executor of justice, who is going to kill, generally anyone who has these believes is going have narrow view of justice and so it will be the stereotyped villains he goes, the writers simply intensify this, so as to add effect

=With the rest of the characters, they are hardly bad and white, hey mostly very conflicting in themselves:-

Light=Has very high sense of morals and justice, smart, handsome, kind (which shown quite extensively in points, especially in the middle of the first season) and yet thinks murderer is ok, so long as its his murderer, also very manipulative, curl, heartless and even as evil the evil he wishes to fight in places, he both ends of the extremities of fundamentalist belief to the point, he circles them both in on each other, in way only insanity of fundermentism can. However the most telling thing about light is that whether you consider him, good, bad, gray, hero, anti-hero, villain...etc (all of which he can be considered depending on your stance and position,) he still causes a lot of good in this world, he just does it at expense of lot of pain and so from this, you can take what you will, however me personally, from fictional view, I find him fascinating character to point of being one of my favioute in any form of media, however from realist view, well he proves just why I am against things like death penalty and that injustice will never create justice.

L=Now on face of it, he is simple good guy detective with insane skills, Right? Wrong, dispite all of his skills, he has so many mental problems, he could be his own case-study and dispite generally fighting for what seen as good side, he admits from start, he only fights people like kira because he finds it fun and he is very vindictive and petty character at points, he just shows in far less overt way than Kira. Also he more than once crosses that line between fighting justice and injustice, making him just the same as kira, a person who believes injustice will create justice, all be it, he far less extreme. His love of sweet things could mean a range of things, but I think it is there to be mentor for him as person, sweet on outside, but will rot teeth if like too much of him.

Mello=He is another who fights on the supposed good side, yet he does for very selfish reasoning, he simply wishes to prove himself, however this never ascertained as to whether he simply that sort of person or if be in the shadows of others all his life made him that way.

Matsuda=He is the embody of normal man, not perpetually strong, smart, skilful, cunning, and most of all good or bad, simply neutral guy caught in the middle of everything, which is why his involvement in the help is so symbolic in my opinion. And So with this, he shows both the hypocritical and self conflicting idealogy that societies often hold, he fights Kira because people around him tell right thing to do, however right to the end, he holds the idea that kira was not the bad guy and often supported huis aims how does this work, theoretically and morally, it doesn’t, but sense when did the mob which is society think on that level?
=People hate murderers, so we kill them, people believe that terrorists restrict human rights, so what do we do, restrict both our own and their rights……etc Our History’s blood is written with the failings of our own jus-opposing ideals, and matsuda is meant to show this.

=I could go on, but think point is proven enough, Now with the sexism thing, yes the characters are generally sexist I would agree and in places I would say by general western standards (of course our standards are now massively out of wack as shows like Married with single other, prove) it is sexist, however I think this while not always right, generally it comes down to exasperated state this anime takes on life, it makes everything extreme and ALL the characters other than lights father and sister are generally very damning views of people and society, however because of our societies modern fixation of anything which is in anyway shows woman non-girlpower is sexist, we will notice it more in female characters, but characters like matusda and Demegawa hardly make male population look great.
While do not forget both Wedy and Naomi are strong characters and lights sister is only one intended to be considered an alround good person, so the idea that woman are portrayed negatively in this anime is wrong, generally everyone.

=However generally I agree with your last point in the anime, but I think the manga is better anyway and while second half will never be as good as first, I still found it engaging.

=I seriously think for all your talk of hating cliches...etc, you really take things on massive facevalue stance, and unless a point is completely in your face, you seem to miss it or demiss it way too quickly

[Xanadu]

Death Note has an absolutely horrifying (abit the "organs" are censored) hentai counterpart called Dream Note

I wouldn't recommend it

[Masquerade5020]

O.O
Didn't know that.

[Xanadu]

O.O
Didn't know that.

yeah...its fucked

if you're a fan of hentai rape go right ahead...
I'm not...I was freaked out

[yekoP]

The fans ruin it.

[Masquerade5020]

yeah...its fucked

if you're a fan of hentai rape go right ahead...
I'm not...I was freaked out

...Think I'll leave that to the weirdos

[angel of darknezz]

Death Note is awesome. What I cannot stand is the people who are all like "I stopped watching the seires after L died boo hooo" damn that is annoying (when people only watch a seires because of a character) L is ok, but the plot is still golden when and after he dies. Well, that is my opinion anyway...

Sorry, I had to say that.