Obama receives Nobel Peace Prize

[darkarcher]

Linky. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8299824.stm)

Well even though a troll already brought this up, I figure having a real topic about this event would be helpful.

So, Barack Obama just won the Nobel Peace Prize. While I don't have anything against Obama himself, I feel like he was wholly undeserving of the prize. After all, he has done very little in the sense of globally bringing about peace or furthering the cause of peace in the 9 months he has been in office (and close to 3 years of politics altogether).

I feel like there are much more deserving people in the world, who have been actively working to bring about peace in their respective spheres of influence, that deserve this award much more.

Perhaps Obama will do something Nobel-worthy within the next 4 years. Perhaps he will decrease the violence in the middle east, or create some sort of social reformation that spreads across the world, or influence environmentally-friendly energy resources on a large scale...but as it stands at the moment, he hasn't done anything I would consider giving him the Nobel Prize for.

Please discuss and keep an open mind to those who disagree with you.

[Cocyta]

Yeah, when I heard about Obama getting the Nobel Peace Prize, I thought, "WTF? You can get the Peace Prize from just talking a lot now?"

I mean, seriously, what gives?

[WeirdSmells]

I agree. I don't have anything against Obama, but he hasn't really... done anything.

[Cocyta]

Exactly! It's really weird that he would receive the Nobel Peace Prize when he hasn't really done anything besides talk.

[Face]

Glorious news that they have given our Dear Leader the recognition that he deserves! ¬_¬

Also, the submissions deadline for the peace prize is Feb 3rd... so he had to have been submitted before then. I'm sure that in his first 2 weeks in office his many accomplishments qualified him for such an illustrious prize.

My issue with this, like most others who have posted, is that he hasn't accomplished anything yet. Nor has he spent much time in a position where he could try to accomplish things. I could see giving someone the award for many years of trying to get something done, but this is just ridiculous.

[MrsSallyBakura]

Linky. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8299824.stm)

Well even though a troll already brought this up, I figure having a real topic about this event would be helpful.

So, Barack Obama just won the Nobel Peace Prize. While I don't have anything against Obama himself, I feel like he was wholly undeserving of the prize. After all, he has done very little in the sense of globally bringing about peace or furthering the cause of peace in the 9 months he has been in office (and close to 3 years of politics altogether).

I feel like there are much more deserving people in the world, who have been actively working to bring about peace in their respective spheres of influence, that deserve this award much more.

Perhaps Obama will do something Nobel-worthy within the next 4 years. Perhaps he will decrease the violence in the middle east, or create some sort of social reformation that spreads across the world, or influence environmentally-friendly energy resources on a large scale...but as it stands at the moment, he hasn't done anything I would consider giving him the Nobel Prize for.

Please discuss and keep an open mind to those who disagree with you.

What else is there to say?

When did Al Gore win it, last year? 2 years ago? I know that this probably sounds stupid and biased, but I feel like the liberal media is controlling who wins this prize more these days. And even now Global Warming is mostly a joke these days.

I can understand where the media is coming from with the whole, "His path could lead him to do great things," logic, but at the same time none of us really KNOW that his path will take us anywhere good. Why can't people wait a few more years when he'll deserve it more? If he'll even deserve it?

[darkarcher]

I can understand where the media is coming from with the whole, "His path could lead him to do great things," logic, but at the same time none of us really KNOW that his path will take us anywhere good. Why can't people wait a few more years when he'll deserve it more?

My argument against the logic they presented is that you don't give someone an award for something they haven't done yet. Having a good plan and making an accomplishment are two completely different things.

[Face]

What else is there to say?

When did Al Gore win it, last year? 2 years ago? I know that this probably sounds stupid and biased, but I feel like the liberal media is controlling who wins this prize more these days. And even now Global Warming is mostly a joke these days.

I can understand where the media is coming from with the whole, "His path could lead him to do great things," logic, but at the same time none of us really KNOW that his path will take us anywhere good. Why can't people wait a few more years when he'll deserve it more? If he'll even deserve it?

... the media doesn't really control who would win the prize, since it's decided by a Norwegian commission.

Also, Global Warming if true does NOT mean that it will always be hotter in all locations around the world. It's based on global average. We can still have cooler summers, and hotter summers in one geographic location and it does not infer a trend or lack of trend on a global scale. There are many factors that go into even the global temperature, and one that you must consider right now is that we're in an extended solar minimum, meaning that the sun is putting out less energy right now than 'normal', leading to slightly less sunlight heating the earth.

[MrsSallyBakura]

... the media doesn't really control who would win the prize, since it's decided by a Norwegian commission.

Also, Global Warming if true does NOT mean that it will always be hotter in all locations around the world. It's based on global average. We can still have cooler summers, and hotter summers in one geographic location and it does not infer a trend or lack of trend on a global scale. There are many factors that go into even the global temperature, and one that you must consider right now is that we're in an extended solar minimum, meaning that the sun is putting out less energy right now than 'normal', leading to slightly less sunlight heating the earth.

lol now I feel kinda dumb but whatever, I get what you're saying.

And I meant that the media is more of an influence than a "control," per say. Obama's campaign was an emotional brainwash that's still stuck on some people, particularly those who aren't Americans I feel like (aka those who aren't directly impacted by Obama's leadership).

[Noah Kaiba]

I'm happy that he won it, but there's a lot more people out there who deserve it more than he does.

[HolyShadow]

(Sarcasm, don't take seriously. At all. srsly)

No, Obama deserves it. He's black. Therefore, he has done a lot.

After all, African Americans (As opposed to those with African descent in general) grow from each other in a way that allows them to fight against all forms of racism, even if it's not actually there because of them fighting against said racism.

Those who disagree are automatically racist, because I am a proud 1/32 African-American. I imagine, because I am African-American, that my great great etc grand mother/father was raped and white men/women are evil.

Now, because I am also of white skin, this poses a conundrum. Am I evil?

My African-American blood says no, I am not, but my white skin says... no, I'm not. However, you are not allowed to say that I am not racist, because I am an African-American and all white people are racist if they say that they're not racist because they're hiding their racism, but if you call the African part of me not racist, you deserve a pat on the back.

Now, be that as it may, I am running for office, and if you don't vote for me, you are a racist. However, I am not allowed to say that because I have to let the media be my attack dog.

Therefore, all text above and below this statement weren't written by me, but rather the media.

Now, does Barack Obama deserve the nobel peace prize for being black and talking a lot?

My African part says yes. However, my white part says... yes, because his secret service watchdogs are recording everything I say, and if I say anything against the Castro Revolution, I'll be taken away and publicly executed, even though our house is run-down and we are heavily in debt because we want to live a normal life. But because Castrobama is busy trying to achieve economic equality (except for himself, what with the 400k/year and 1 million dollar prize for doing absolutely nothing), we cannot escape our debt and our living conditions continue to decline.

A certain friend of Obama's made direct communist remarks about 'controlling the media'. Now, while Plato would agree that we should control the media, he also agreed that if you had thoughts that were against his beliefs, you were an immoral person and should be kicked out of his country. Now, how would Obama's little friend want to see you kicked out? Execution of course.

And then there's the heart of the matter without the random ramblings.

Obama has a Chia pet.

That's right. An Obama Chia pet.

http://a1468.g.akamai.net/f/1468/580/1d/pics.Drugstore.com/prodimg/213041/200.JPG

Do you see a problem here? With this Chia pet? And the hype?

...What? You don't think he deserves all that hype? Well, that's fine and dandy, but what I'm REALLY concerned about is this thing's accuracy.

Let's compare. Above is the Chia pet.

http://www.ustream.tv/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/obama-official-photo.jpeg

And that is Obama.

Do you see the problem? HE HASN'T GOT ENOUGH HAIR FOR A CHIA PET! He doesn't DESERVE his own Chia pet! HE HASNT GOT THE HAIR.

...What? This isn't about Chia pets? FUCK.

Well, as for the nobel peace prize...

I believe that Obama has done nothing more but cause disparity and hatred among individual groups. Just like Queen Elizabeth I, but unintentionally. He has sided with racist figures time and time again, pretending not to have known of their tendencies. That's fine and dandy once or twice, but this has happened loads of times. It's unreal. Racism, Socialism, and Obamaism. Yes, Obamaism. Some people believed he was the messiah.

Above, I said that all of these statements were done by the media. That is not entirely true. Rather, I regret to inform you that you have been Glenn Beck-rolled. That's right. I wrote this in the perspective of Glenn Beck. Let that forever be burned into your memory.

...

Glenn Beck sucks.

[WeirdSmells]

Obama has a Chia pet.


Glenn Beck sucks.

The only true things in this statment

[Kanariya674]

Yeah, I'm with the majority here. I don't understand; I mean, how long has he been in office? I'm not exactly anti-Obama but I'm not really pro-Obama either. I just haven't been very affected by whatever he has done.

So how does he deserve a Nobel Peace Prize? For being the first black president of the United States or something? I mean, you really have to do something good to deserve an award like that. I think of, you know, Mahatma Gandhi..

Give it some more years and we'll see if he deserves a prize. He seems like a pretty smart guy, but who knows..

[mystra]

given the fact that i've already been called a c^nt by one person and gotten into two other arguments today: i'm with the majority here. since when has spewing hot air out of an orifice been enough to win one of the most renowned worlde awards? and my favourite line today "does that mean i can fart and win the lottery now?" i mean i wouldn't have to purchase a ticket right? cause that would mean actually doing something to win the prize. that's fair right?

[Face]

And why does Glenn Beck suck?

[DarkPhoenix]

Obama shouldn't have won because most people voted for him just because he's black...that's is no reason to vote for someone, or not vote for them, the color of their skin has nothing to do with anything, Obama is not qualified to be President, and hasn't done anything to deserve the Nobel Peace Prize...Harry Potter's done more to deserve it.

Obama won the election because of his skin color not his qualification, and he has now won the Nobel Peace prize, most likely because of his skin color.

He won't be so great when we're under China's rule now will he?

[Kanariya674]

Fix'd.

What has the world come to? :(

[Eia]

... why?

[Fat1Fared]

... the media doesn't really control who would win the prize, since it's decided by a Norwegian commission.

Also, Global Warming if true does NOT mean that it will always be hotter in all locations around the world. It's based on global average. We can still have cooler summers, and hotter summers in one geographic location and it does not infer a trend or lack of trend on a global scale. There are many factors that go into even the global temperature, and one that you must consider right now is that we're in an extended solar minimum, meaning that the sun is putting out less energy right now than 'normal', leading to slightly less sunlight heating the earth.

Well, I was going to say both these things lol, (also you can add that the scienitist who first made the theory of greenhouse effect, actually rejected it before he died, saying his own reseach led him to believe he was wrong, so there go) but you beat me to it, however I do agree with poeple in this thread, that Obrama reciving this award is somewhat bemusing, however who else they going to give it to Gordan Brown and his plans to save world from the ecominic crash :thatface::thatface::thatface::thatface::thatface: :thatface: (sorry, its just that is greatest thing that man never said and its only great before you think he is making really clever joke)

Though seriously, there is a lack of political candidates at minute, and the only western politican who is on the up, is German leader and that is only because she is blaming the rest of world for everything (surpising how poeple like poeple who that)

lol now I feel kinda dumb but whatever, I get what you're saying.

And I meant that the media is more of an influence than a "control," per say. Obama's campaign was an emotional brainwash that's still stuck on some people, particularly those who aren't Americans I feel like (aka those who aren't directly impacted by Obama's leadership).

What do you mean by this line? it could mean a lot, and so confuses me

I believe that Obama has done nothing more but cause disparity and hatred among individual groups. Just like Queen Elizabeth I, but unintentionally. He has sided with racist figures time and time again, pretending not to have known of their tendencies. That's fine and dandy once or twice, but this has happened loads of times. It's unreal. Racism, Socialism, and Obamaism. Yes, Obamaism. Some people believed he was the messiah.


Did you just compare Elizabeth to Obama?

PS and to blame Obama for the way your population fights amoung itself, just because it decided to vote someone it didn't like to its leader, is silly, I mean you should be happy, Britain didn't even get that,

[darkarcher]

What do you mean by this line? it could mean a lot, and so confuses me
She means that most of the world outside of America has a much fonder view of Obama than Americans themselves.

It's sort of like saying "oh they're not so bad" about somebody you don't know very well, but somebody who knows them better says "well you don't have to put up with them."

PS and to blame Obama for the way your population fights amoung itself, just because it decided to vote someone it didn't like to its leader, is silly, I mean you should be happy, Britain didn't even get that,

Well some people were disillusioned and thought that Obama would somehow do a lot of things that he did not or outright cannot perform. Many of these people have had a reality check recently. That's not to say that most people who voted for Obama didn't know better, as I am positive there were plenty of people who did it for the right reasons. However a lot of the swing vote went to him due to unfulfillable promises.

[WeirdSmells]

However a lot of the swing vote went to him due to unfulfillable promises. Like the claim he could fart out happiness

[WeirdSmells]

Oh, and then there's his skin. If anyone in FOX news says a single word about how he's not doing well, every liberal news station immediately calls them racist. It's happened several times.

Then again it is FOX...

[mystra]

Obama had his little associates reveal political ads that said, "Town hall protesters are angry mobs!"

Most of the people that protested at town halls about his health care plan were Republicans.

Essentially, he had them call Republicans angry mobs. :/ So yes, I blame him.

Oh, and then there's his skin. If anyone in FOX news says a single word about how he's not doing well, every liberal news station immediately calls them racist. It's happened several times.

you forgot to add essentially we're all terrorists too for disagreeing.

[WeirdSmells]

That's the notion I hate more than anything else.

FOX is right of center. They don't lie, and all they really want is fairness in their news.

If you actually watch them, you'll be astounded at how much other news stations hide in order to praise their own side. FOX is critical of everyone.

I do watch FOX... often actually.

[DarkPhoenix]

you forgot to add essentially we're all terrorists too for disagreeing.

I'm sorely tempted to publicly put Obama down like call him incompetent and stuff that's negative but true, and then when he tries to make me out as a racist or terrorist I will probably start balling my eyes out, and then people will hate him for making a lonely poor girl cry.

[mystra]

I'm sorely tempted to publicly put Obama down like call him incompetent and stuff that's negative but true, and then when he tries to make me out as a racist or terrorist I will probably start balling my eyes out, and then people will hate him for making a lonely poor girl cry.

you'd probably be arrested first.

[itshenryyay]

I thought he had won the Nobel Peace Prize for just talking at first. But then I found out it had to do with nuclear weapons. I don't really think he deserves it.

[WeirdSmells]

But then I found out it had to do with nuclear weapons

I'm probably misunderstanding this, but this is very funny in my opinion.

[Raulst]

http://a1468.g.akamai.net/f/1468/580/1d/pics.Drugstore.com/prodimg/213041/200.JPG

Everytime I see the Chia commercial advertising this, I want to shoot myself. That's the fastest way I can think of to stop this pain right now. Now I really don't want to choose sides on the Obama debate, but c'mon, declaring Obama to hail among the ranks of George Washington and Abraham Lincoln...isn't that way too much?

George Washington faced punishment for treason to Britain, and he was constantly outnumbered by the British during the Revolutionary War, yet he still managed to win (of course, with help from France, but that's another story) and found a new country. Abraham Lincoln was super unpopular because there was the whole thing with the South seceding from the Union, but in the end he got the country back together and emancipated the slaves. Whatever Obama has done pales in comparison to these two. Plus, the Chia would give all of them afros, which is politically incorrect.

And now we have the Nobel Prize. Face makes a really good point; who the heck would nominate him 2 weeks after he takes office? How much can you accomplish in 2 weeks for world peace? I am seriously nauseated with all this Obama glorification when he hasn't done much but get elected. That's it. He got elected. And he's half-black. Oh Ehm Gee. World peace furthered! Yes, he did have talks with Iran about the nuclear weapons, but Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is still not backing down from his "peaceful nuclear program". And yes, he is morally better than his predecessor, but to give the Nobel Prize to a guy who shows qualities that Europeans like and happened to be president at the same time is pretty much degrading the award into a popularity contest.

[Fat1Fared]

She means that most of the world outside of America has a much fonder view of Obama than Americans themselves.

It's sort of like saying "oh they're not so bad" about somebody you don't know very well, but somebody who knows them better says "well you don't have to put up with them."


I meant the part I bolded, which seemed to say, those who ain't a proper American like me, but I cannot see Sally putting that, which is confused

however I wouldn't say the world has a softer view of Obama, more an ironic one, most poeple in britian, think he is just another US leader in end, but one with a PR for his campaign and they find it amusing that because he hasn't changed the world in less than year, everyone in US is unhappy, and this is even more amusing when actually look at the fact, he actually fighting a lot of problems which where left to him by the last leadership (who would have thought, politics's ain't a cecluar thing)


Well some people were disillusioned and thought that Obama would somehow do a lot of things that he did not or outright cannot perform. Many of these people have had a reality check recently. That's not to say that most people who voted for Obama didn't know better, as I am positive there were plenty of people who did it for the right reasons. However a lot of the swing vote went to him due to unfulfillable promises.

I actually said this very thing would happen on this site, when everyone was going on about how he was going to SAVE THE WORLD (it was so woefully obvious that everyone had expectations of him, which were way too high and when he didn't for-fill them, poeple were always going to be unhappy, sadly it is a mistake we always seem to make, britian did same thing with Thatcher and love or hate her, she was still the most succussful PM we have had sense Clement Attlee)

though I will admit, it was quicker than I expected, lol

[mystra]

I probably could've found one about Obama, but I felt like sharing this instead. It's funny! But still, I'm sure you understand. Him and his supporters have been targeting the children too much. Remember the Obama song? That kinda sickened me for some reason.

Obama/Hitler Youth of America
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdPSqL9_mfM

[HeyDudez]

I think he has done a lot. Trying to reduce the US Troops in Afganistan and Iraq and also the work trying to get rid of nuclear wepons. He deserves more credit.

[DarkPhoenix]

you'd probably be arrested first.
YOU CAN'T DO THAT...FREEDOM OF SPEECH, FREEDOM OF SPEECH!!!
It isn't about saving the world, Fared.

For me, it's because of all the hype about Obama that people on his side suddenly grow a pair of balls.

His supporters/associates:

Slandered Republicans to the point of calling them an angry mob because they disagreed with Goddess Obama's ultimate solution to the health of people.

Directly said that we should abolish the capitalist system and start over as communists

Said that white people are worse than black people because whites caused columbine

Acorn scandal one: Getting the homeless on election day, bribing them with food and beer, and telling them to vote for Obama under fake names, then later saying that never happened, despite 1/3 of their voter registrations being fake.

Acorn scandal two: One of their members tried to get a perceived underage illegal immigrant to be a prostitute and helping her pimp with business expenses.

Reverend Wright: I won't go deep into this because it's kind of a gray area, but he basically slandered Americans and White people.

Obama himself associates with foreign dictators and certain terrorists (Bill Ayers comes to mind... he had dinner with him just a few years ago!)

Oh, and they gave him the nobel peace prize despite doing absolutely nothing so far.

And then there's all of this about unfulfilled promises...

Personally, I don't believe that Obama's going to fulfill them. I think too much of this is happening:

I probably could've found one about Obama, but I felt like sharing this instead. It's funny! But still, I'm sure you understand. Him and his supporters have been targeting the children too much. Remember the Obama song? That kinda sickened me for some reason.

RACIST SON OF A B!TCHES :squintyface:

[DarkPhoenix]

BTW, Obama sure as hell isn't getting reelected...because the highschoolers will be of voting age and Obama is trying to make the school days longer and/or the school year, so they will vote the other person just to pay him back.

[darkarcher]

I think he has done a lot. Trying to reduce the US Troops in Afganistan and Iraq and also the work trying to get rid of nuclear wepons. He deserves more credit.

First of all, just trying to do something is not an accomplishment in and of itself.

Second of all, there's really nothing to show whether there's been an actual attempt to do these things, or if the government just says it's doing something about them.

[mystra]

I think he has done a lot. Trying to reduce the US Troops in Afganistan and Iraq and also the work trying to get rid of nuclear wepons. He deserves more credit.

the prize is awarded to those who do something or for those who create an idea that others have acted on for the betterment of the worlde. he's done neither of those things. that in itself should be the end of the story but nothing with this man is done by laws the rest of us have to abide by.

Originally Posted by mystra
you'd probably be arrested first.
YOU CAN'T DO THAT...FREEDOM OF SPEECH, FREEDOM OF SPEECH!!!
@DarkPhoenix: lol don't you know first amendment rights mean nothing any longer

[Fat1Fared]

It isn't about saving the world, Fared.


You ever heard term figure of speech


For me, it's because of all the hype about Obama that people on his side suddenly grow a pair of balls.

His supporters/associates:

Slandered Republicans to the point of calling them an angry mob because they disagreed with Goddess Obama's ultimate solution to the health of people.


And they did same thing to him, that is just sad part of politic's

PS what does any of this have to do with any of what I said


Directly said that we should abolish the capitalist system and start over as communists


Yer, he really tried to do that

PS also damn communist ideals and trying to help poeple :thatface:


Said that white people are worse than black people because whites caused columbine


Normally I don't mind no sources, but when make statement like this, please back it up


Acorn scandal one: Getting the homeless on election day, bribing them with food and beer, and telling them to vote for Obama under fake names, then later saying that never happened, despite 1/3 of their voter registrations being fake.

Acorn scandal two: One of their members tried to get a perceived underage illegal immigrant to be a prostitute and helping her pimp with business expenses.


Yer because Bush never had any scandals involving any of his elections <facepalm>

PS also does anyone else find it ironic that a county with such a mar'ed Democratic system, is the same county trying to Force bring Democratic rights on to World :thatface: (dispite most of those countries not even wanting Democracy)


Reverend Wright: I won't go deep into this because it's kind of a gray area, but he basically slandered Americans and White people.


Yes, he went to a dogey priest something like 20 years ago, my god if that is worse thing he has done, then trust me, for a politician he is a saint.

PS his ideals were actually against the American leadership and ideology, so maybe he isn't Obama's best friend anymore


Obama himself associates with foreign dictators and certain terrorists (Bill Ayers comes to mind... he had dinner with him just a few years ago!)


Name politician who doesn't (you can't because al political poeple are aggressors and terrorists to someone)

And its part of real holy, if want to <how to put it nicely> make these countries "better" who will have to deal with some less than reputable poeple and lot of time, joining forces with these guys helps defeat other guys (that is the irony of politics's, look at Afghanistan


Oh, and they gave him the nobel peace prize despite doing absolutely nothing so far.


Yes, will say we are bemused by this one, but it's poeple in Norway, not US who did that


And then there's all of this about unfulfilled promises...


Finally a point which links to something I actually, he has been in office for what 7 months and has had to deal with the mess that he was left, plus poeple expected far to much from him, (like I said) and so when he didn't give them that, they all got angry like it was actually surprising thing, even if he actually did some good things.

Now its still to early to say whether or not he will do anything of note, but even if he does, he will be remembered as a failure, because he can never give what poeple want, though I expect that is partly his fault for things he promised, it is also way of politics's (just another irony of politics's)


Personally, I don't believe that Obama's going to fulfill them. I think too much of this is happening:


will have to wait and see


I probably could've found one about Obama, but I felt like sharing this instead. It's funny! But still, I'm sure you understand. Him and his supporters have been targeting the children too much. Remember the Obama song? That kinda sickened me for some reason.

Well, thats because if you get them when young, you can control easier, hiltor knew that and even most religions know it

and politicians should know it

Now don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of the guy, because don't know enough about him, but way world reacts to him is almost as bemusing as the content of this thread

-Finally, all of you, don't let fact been raised into one party or another effect your views in politics's as your parents views may not actually be for you (I would be tory if followed my parents views o0 and for anyone who knows me, know that I don't believe in uncontrolled free market and new right ideals at all)

[DarkPhoenix]

I agree with my parents views on Obama because...we we all feel the same way, I have my own brain...we need the government to control somethings but not as much as they're trying to control...I really wanna move to Japan...not just for the anime...it seems like a nice place as well as I'm learning Japanese so...that'll help....I got off topic...bye

[Fat1Fared]

I agree with my parents views on Obama because...we we all feel the same way, I have my own brain...we need the government to control somethings but not as much as they're trying to control...I really wanna move to Japan...not just for the anime...it seems like a nice place as well as I'm learning Japanese so...that'll help....I got off topic...bye

-socialization is great thing isn't it :thatface:

PS DP if don't like Obama and the control of government in USA, you diff won't like Japan and you may want to look into way life is over there, coolest county in world, to go on holiday in...etc, never will I move there in million years (well unless i'm so rich I don''t have to work :biggrin: )

[WeirdSmells]

So you're sasying it's a good thing he's acting like Hitler?

You heard it here, people. Fared is an Anti-Semite.

We knew that after the Christmas party.

[Elliot Gale]

I saw the title and my reaction was: "What the hell for? He hasn't done ANYTHING."

[MrsSallyBakura]

I meant the part I bolded, which seemed to say, those who ain't a proper American like me, but I cannot see Sally putting that, which is confused

No, I didn't say anything about a "proper American." darkarcher hit what I meant right on the money.

[maisetofan]

Obama/Hitler Youth of America
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdPSqL9_mfM

Your argument is INVALID
watch the daily show he covers that whole comparing a mixed race president who's leading man is a homosexual jewish man to Hitler he then laughs and realizes how invlaid this whole argument is

while he should not have won, due to the fact he has not really done a heck of a lot, who else were they gonna choose?
Joe Jackson? LOL HELLLL NOOOO

[mystra]

why do people have to friggin bring race into this shit? he's a man just like anyone else.

[WeirdSmells]

why do people have to friggin bring race into this shit?
good question.

[Fat1Fared]

Fix'd.


Just going to go ahead and say, indeed


His little czar made the comment before being kicked out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vO-D-ZeqN5U


1=This isn't Obama,

2=He was actually making a point that black poeple get unfairly criminalized more than white poeple, and though I don't agree how far he takes this point in several areas and think he is ironically doing the same thing turned on its head, the stat's would agree with him


Because democracy is inherently better than oppression. Britian is just a bunch of pussies for not caring about oppressed countries-- hell, in the past they've been the CAUSE of many oppressed countries.


So in your eyes there is only democracy or oppression, explains a lot really

-You know, the english had a similar all or nothing belief in the crusades and look what happened there.

The Height of failure, comes with the unforeseen Hevanagde in ones own beliefs

PS if we don't care about other countries, then how come we are one of the highest giving county for forgin aid (despite lot richers having really low aid) and give the second highest number of peace keeping troops in world.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremiah_Wright

20 years ago? Hmm...


that doesn't say when he went to see, and though I'm not sure of exact dates, it wasn't modern,
=though it does say that Obama went to see him, so he debate those beliefs


The liberal agenda runs deep, then. Is that what you're saying?


1=Again, just because you don't like a view holy, doesn't make it wrong

2=Yes, that is completely what I said <rolles eyes>


The problem with your analysis is that he's black, and our first black president. That means no matter HOW badly he does, the history books will undoubtedly remember him as one of the greatest there ever was. There is absolutely no need for him to do well... at all.


hmmm, well right now, way world is looking at him, goes with my point, but to be fair, can only wait and see here, I still think history will expect too much from him


So you're sasying it's a good thing he's acting like Hitler?

You heard it here, people. Fared is an Anti-Semite.


Indeed, I'm totally anti-semite and your hieght of peace and love <rolles eyes>

-Now if we ignore the fact, that actually didn't say I approve of this, just understand it and stated it is a fact, that many groups use to their advantage, you will see the flaw in your logic.

PS not all Hitler did do was wrong, 99% of it was wrong, but even he didn't do "complete 100% evil"


So you believe that the government should control the people indefinitely?


again, totally what I said <rolles eyes>


You can only go to one extreme or another. If you make movements to one side, then others will take that and keep going with it. One tiny success can lead to many problems.


"Only a sith deals in asolutes"

Holy, there is no such thing as the 100% right answer, if there was, we would have done it by now, but there isn't as everyone wants different things and with way world is balanced, a good thing for one person will always be bad for another, the best you can do is a make as little bad effects as possible, of course, this is all about your intepratation of what equals a negative result


Therefore, if you don't believe in the free market, you've to believe in all communist ideals. Now, seeing as how you're a realist, that would also mean you have to believe in planting spies to prevent people from learning about capitalism. Therefore, you have to believe in executing said people for teaching or learning about it.


you know, for how smart you are, I cannot believe you still think that world is so simple, the fact I said "Complete Free Market" makes your point redundant

PS also, ever heard saying "Reds Under your Beds", it was watch saying used in US to make poeple rat out "communist simplifiers." And oh so mighty free and capitalist USA actually had same number of poeple watching the country in order to stop them learning/supporting Communism as communists, ironic really that the "Free World" is just as watched as totalitarian one.
The only difference is that in US didn't go as far with final results, but if you think that your country was free, well I suspect the likes of Arther Miller would love to descent your view holy.


So you believe no one has a right to life.


Not even going to ask how you came to this view mate,


This is what communism is. Every example has followed a path of failure due to forcing others their ideals.


Actually that is totalitarian socialism (oh and just so you know, I'm not a socialist of any kind)


Now, a free market ALWAYS helps. In every country that has it, they have done BETTER than their communist counterparts.


Yer, really helped the US in 1920's, went wrong in 30's though <hmm>


And what do I present to you as proof?

China.

I rest my case.

Sure the rioting Chinese poeple really agree with you, <rolles eyes for last time>

Oh and if you bother to learn chinese history, you would learn about how Democratic capitalism was what screwed their county in first place, after it was made to remove a system, which it had been using rather well for thousands of years, before england (yes my county) arrogantly tried to "help" it join new world

Oh and it was the failings of that same system which allowed "totilianism" to raise in Russia as well

oh and lots of other South American countries have been screwed by it as well as Iran (though a revolution was to blame there to be fair) and several African states

I don't believe in complete socialism, let alone communism, but that doesn't make free market completely valid theory ether

why do people have to friggin bring race into this shit? he's a man just like anyone else.

Real question want to ask, is why those who say race doesn't matter, are ones who keep bringing it up, then you will get your answer

[MrsSallyBakura]

while he should not have won, due to the fact he has not really done a heck of a lot, who else were they gonna choose?

I think that SR hit this point pretty well, let me just make it shorter and say that just because you don't personally KNOW of anyone who could win it, that doesn't mean that there IS no one. In fact, it's those more unknown people who should win the prize because due to the fact that they're not camera hogs who sell their stories to the world, it does more justice to this world when humbler people win this sort of thing, I think.

[Fat1Fared]

I think that SR hit this point pretty well, let me just make it shorter and say that just because you don't personally KNOW of anyone who could win it, that doesn't mean that there IS no one. In fact, it's those more unknown people who should win the prize because due to the fact that they're not camera hogs who sell their stories to the world, it does more justice to this world when humbler people win this sort of thing, I think.

I do agree with what your saying here, there are lot of poeple out there who could get (just not many politicans :thatface: ) however I think you have missed mai's point, which is that, just because we don't believe Obama has done enough to earn this, doesn't mean we are right and that he doesn't deverse it, it maybe that there are things which he has done, which under played, and I think this comes under same vein as believing that those outside US, cannot understand US politics's.
=Now when it comes down to it, I personally agree with you and don't think he has done, enough yet to get it, and though his some of his aims seem adbable, would be nice to see them completed, before praise him for it, however seems they decided that this was to show their support for his aims and I do get some feeling on here, that it is to do with dislike of him as much as anything which is why some are against it.

Plus Sally, I think being President of US gives you Limelight whether ask for it or not and one of those Holy was on about, did write a book about his life lol

PS, knew that didn't mean that comment like that, it just sounded like that, which why wanted to just clear up what actually meant,

[MrsSallyBakura]

I do agree with what your saying here, there are lot of poeple out there who could get (just not many politicans :thatface: ) however I think you have missed mai's point, which is that, just because we don't believe Obama has done enough to earn this, doesn't mean we are right and that he doesn't deverse it, it maybe that there are things which he has done, which under played, and I think this comes under same vein as believing that those outside US, cannot understand US politics's.

I think that if Obama had done anything, it would be all over the news. It would be all over CNN and MSNBC as an amazing victory for the Democratic Party and all over Fox News for the big fuss that people are making over it. Maybe that's not entirely accurate, but it's a general statement that probably has some truth to it.

Now when it comes down to it, I personally agree with you and don't think he has done, enough yet to get it, and though his some of his aims seem adbable, would be nice to see them completed, before praise him for it, however seems they decided that this was to show their support for his aims and I do get some feeling on here, that it is to do with dislike of him as much as anything which is why some are against it.

Dislike for him or not, awards should still be given to people who have done something. Besides, his motivation for doing all this stuff is already probably so that he can be in office for another 4 years.

Plus Sally, I think being President of US gives you Limelight whether ask for it or not and one of those Holy was on about, did write a book about his life lol

I don't think that the vast majority of the world would have said anything like that when George W. Bush was in office. Bush, in the limelight? Despicable. :P

PS, knew that didn't mean that comment like that, it just sounded like that, which why wanted to just clear up what actually meant,

I don't really know how it could have sounded like that, but OK, that's cool.

[Fenrir502]

That is what was. Look at what is.




Please forgive my intrusion, but I believe Fared was trying to point out that it is not a perfect system.

It only makes sese to take past occurences to mind when judging something.

[Fenrir502]

So instead of looking how a problem was fixed, we should look to it and act like it was never fixed?

Interesting logic. Tell me, did you get 50 on your IQ test?

No, but we should observe what caused those problems in the first place.

It's better to take a whole history into account than just a good history.

[Fenrir502]

And even if you take into account what caused the problem, you also have to take into consideration the solution.

Mimic the solution, the problem is solved every time.

Of course, if you just look at the virus and not the vaccine, and act like the vaccine isn't important, you'll probably just make your condition worse.

My point was, prevention is better than cure, that's all.

[Fenrir502]

Okay, so we should all isolate ourselves in a mental institution with the padded walls to prevent getting sick?

No, we should go out and play. So what if we catch a cold? We can fix it and go out and play some more.

If a machine needs to be service once every five years, do you wait until it breaks before fixing it?

[darkarcher]

All right you guys. You've gotten off topic.

Steer it back please.

[Raulst]

Well one thing's for sure now...Obama's gonna have a hard time explaining new wars/continuing US involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan to the world when he's a Nobel Peace Prize winner. I can't tell if it's a good thing or a bad thing in the long run. On one hand, he will be less likely to engage in conflict with this title, and on the other hand, he could be restrained by it from doing any affirmative action in situations that might need force.

[EdBat]

That's the notion I hate more than anything else.

FOX is right of center. They don't lie, and all they really want is fairness in their news.

If you actually watch them, you'll be astounded at how much other news stations hide in order to praise their own side. FOX is critical of everyone.

Disagree.

[Bluetune]

I haven't taken the Nobel Peace prize seriously since I learned that Henry Kissinger, who is wanted in Chile for warcrimes, won the Nobel Peace prize.

Kissinger won the Nobel Peace prize in 1973 for establishing a "cease fire" and US withdrawal from Vietnam. When the leadership of North and south Vietnam were invited to witness the awarding cermony they didn't show up, because they believed that "there is no peace in Vietnam".

Anyway Obama hasn't received the award yet, he's been nominated for it, and
there are a lot of critics that say he doesn't deserve it. Especially when he may be increasing troops in Afghanistan pretty soon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpheXxu9vM0

http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/manofpeace.jpg

[darkarcher]

I haven't taken the Nobel Peace prize seriously since I learned that Henry Kissinger, who is wanted in Chile for warcrimes, won the Nobel Peace prize.

Kissinger won the Nobel Peace prize in 1973 for establishing a "cease fire" and US withdrawal from Vietnam. When the leadership of North and south Vietnam were invited to witness the awarding cermony they didn't show up, because they believed that "there is no peace in Vietnam".

Anyway Obama hasn't received the award yet, he's been nominated for it, and
there are a lot of critics that say he doesn't deserve it. Especially when he may be increasing troops in Afghanistan pretty soon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpheXxu9vM0

http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/manofpeace.jpg

No, he received it. Nominations were in February.

[MrsSallyBakura]

I want to bring this up before anyone else tries to use this argument, but I've been hearing the, "Would you rather Bush have it?" argument and it's weak for these reasons:

1. Obama and Bush aren't the only choices for the Nobel Peace Prize
2. Bush doesn't have anything to do with Obama, believe it or not
3. Kind of relates to the first, but why must a political figure win the Peace Prize? We probably have more options than we think.

I mean, would it have been bad if Bush had gotten it? Well, yes, it would have. But that's not the issue. IMO you can't detract from the issue like that. That's missing the entire point.

Well one thing's for sure now...Obama's gonna have a hard time explaining new wars/continuing US involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan to the world when he's a Nobel Peace Prize winner. I can't tell if it's a good thing or a bad thing in the long run. On one hand, he will be less likely to engage in conflict with this title, and on the other hand, he could be restrained by it from doing any affirmative action in situations that might need force.

Well that just sounds lovely, now doesn't it?

I don't think that you can give a president who is in the middle of dealing with a war a prize about peace...

[ChaosVincent1]

...All Obama did to earn it was get elected. What is so special about that?

[Fat1Fared]

I think that if Obama had done anything, it would be all over the news. It would be all over CNN and MSNBC as an amazing victory for the Democratic Party and all over Fox News for the big fuss that people are making over it. Maybe that's not entirely accurate, but it's a general statement that probably has some truth to it.


edited to make sense

Sally, I already said, I didn't agree, was just explaining mai's point, I have said I don't see any reason for him not, to not have it


Dislike for him or not, awards should still be given to people who have done something. Besides, his motivation for doing all this stuff is already probably so that he can be in office for another 4 years.


you have kind of gone full circle here and then got lost with point lol, my point was simple, a lot of the poeple against him having, whether be on this site or in wider world, simply don't like him, and that isn't a point which should be used against him, aspecially when doesn't take much to make a good agrument against him having it lol


I don't think that the vast majority of the world would have said anything like that when George W. Bush was in office. Bush, in the limelight? Despicable. :P


you did same thing again lol, however to be fair, bush did have lot of lime light, he just had more time for it to go sour lol

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I never said it was Obama if you go back and read my exact words. Assumption is the first step to disaster, Herr Forehead.


Yes but I am on about Obama (and I did actually put another point about this)

I mean if we want to start going into friends and alliance's of all president and in fact political poeple in world, find me one who is allied to at this one other disreputable person


Because you live in the country and personally disagree with giving aid and dealing out peace-keeping troops. I know you do. You hate everything your country does.


Well, if we look past the fact that, I clearly am not against welfare, inturnily and externally, infact the only thing I have said against it was, that there are times when it has been abused, which is true, but on the whole, not against it, but even if we look past this and say I was like this, do I really represent the whole of Britian or have any real power over its parliament?

PS though I am against the use of peace keeping troops in area's where they are not requested, or them being used as a way to force new political ideology in countries which don't wish to have it, as they normally cause more trouble than stop then and are no longer peace keepers, this is aspecially when there are many countries which do need peace keeping troops, but won't get them, as though the political leaders of these countries are some of worse around, they have things like oil, which we won't risk to stop little bit of oppression here or there. So in short, I'm not against them in general ether


He debated those beliefs because he knew it would hurt his campaign, whereas he never said a word to him behind closed doors about it beforehand. They traveled together and knew each other. They would've had some personal conversations, and Wright would've revealed this side to him beforehand. I take that to mean that Obama didn't really care about his racist tendencies as long as he kept his mouth shut about that. But that's just speculation on my part.


But he stopped going years before his campaign, fact is, this is something he once may have believed in, but he if he did, which evidence says may have, he is now moving in different areas and fact is, everyone has beliefs which the many find wrong and disagree with, Democracy isn't about stopping this belief's being allowed, its about the leaders doing what poeple want, even if it is against his/her own beliefs, so even if he does still believe this, the fact he now not letting it be involved in his own campaign, means it use is nothing more than a smear against him and actually can be turned to show a redeeming side to him, as he is willing to let go of his own personal opinion for society


So I was right!


<rolles eyes>


History could expect him to do nothing but sit on his ass in his chair all day long and do nothing. He could fail at that. He would still be loved by the history books.


like said, we will see


He was a proponent of all seven deadly sins. All of them could be found in what his men did to the jews, etc.


well moving away from fact, that the 7 sins, ain't the form of complete evil, that isn't actually my point, the point I was making was even he did what can be seen as some good in his life, he just did hell of lot more things which can be seen as evil,


There is inherent good and inherent evil. Oppression is an inherent evil that only serves the oppressors. Democracy allows for equal power to all.


Holy, that is navie and wrong, and we both know it and if it wasn't, then there would never have been dictator's who were seen as great leaders and decomcracies which where seen as dictatorships

And there is no such thing as inherent good or inherent evil, there is merely action and the resulting reaction, and rarely do two poeple see the resulting reaction in same light, as effected massively as your position/standing and interpretation of the event at hand


Was? All that matters is what is. At the moment, communism isn't such a bad thing to Hollywood. In fact, they've loved it my whole life and constantly talk about how good it-- and scientology-- are. (Kind of a joke)


you see, your point may hold water, if it was rebutting the right thing, Arther Miller wasn't Communist or even against Capitism, he merely made some of his plays around the down side to capitism and showed some of his characters being expiloted by the system, however because his views where not completely in line, he was arrested as communist, does that seem like the fair and just thing done in your perfect free world, aspecially when you ironically criticise, the communists for doing same thing to capirtist play writers in their states.


I'm linking together ideas based on popular communist practices.


is it even worth, trying to explain the point to you that wasn't communism and ether am I again, probably not, so I won't, all I can hope is that you will learn, that complete capitalism is the great and unfliable thing your tort it is.


Somehow, I doubt that. Then again, you are rather arrogant and greedy... maybe you'd rather be a dictator?


Of course I would, as all Liberal based, welfare supporters who believe in paternalism are dictators


That is what was. Look at what is.


well Fenir, already made valid point, but here is another, lets look at modern day and ho......oh, well would look at that, it messed up again......hmmm guess it isn't perfect afterall


It's better than any other theory out there, I think.


Complete Capitalism never works, like complete communism, complete Democracy, Complete Sovereignty.....etc and that is why every state that tries to complete <place theroy here> fails, now controlled capitalism isn't perfect, but it works steady, as long state controlling it, keeps balance, between freedom of growth from growing into excessive growth and restrictive from becoming so restrictive, stopes all growth


You disagree with that all you want, but I believe we've gotten off-topic, so we can bring this back up another time.

fair enough, this is off topic, but I still think we need a political thread, sadly unless something to do with someone famous like obama, no one posts


I don't think that you can give a president who is in the middle of dealing with a war a prize about peace...

I generally agree with points you made from start about him not deversing it, however cannot blame him for war didn't start, and it is lot harder to simply end a war, than just packing bags and going home now days, (specially ones like this one) though maybe if they let him finish it, would hold more merit

[Cocyta]

fair enough, this is off topic, but I still think we need a political thread, sadly unless something to do with someone famous like obama, no one posts

Well, in American society (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nay4U2qXdQw), only famous people matter.

I don't know if non-famous people matter in other countries.

[MrsSallyBakura]

I generally agree with points you made from start about him not deversing it, however cannot blame him for war didn't start, and it is lot harder to simply end a war, than just packing bags and going home now days, (specially ones like this one) though maybe if they let him finish it, would hold more merit

You're right about that, but I still think that they should have waited until the war progressed toward peace in a way that really showed before giving him an award. Of course, all of us already know that; I'm just saying the same thing over and over again.

[Fat1Fared]

So Sally what we can take from this thread is that generally everyone agrees that Obama shouldn't receive this award, however, we can also all generally agree, that this award shows, how he receives almost insane, zealot like, and out of context hate from those who are against him and at same time receives almost insane, zealot like and out of context love from those who support him, just like the book Twilight, therefore Obama is in fact the book Twilight:-

So what next for Obama, well soon he will release his first second movie based on a completely Frictional (errrr actually this works for both,) book about his life, which will only increase the hate from his foe's as they find more out of context [STRIKE]political and personal literally and personal things to hate about him, but at same time, its effects will generally be positive for him as it will not only increase the love of his fanatical fans, it will also gain him a massive new fan base from those who know nothing about politics's literature and generally have no interest in politics's literature, as well as boosting his renview up by 90% :thatface:

[Cocyta]

So Sally what we can take from this thread is that generally everyone agrees that Obama shouldn't receive this award, however, we can also all generally agree, that this award shows, how he receives almost insane, zealot like, and out of context hate from those who are against him and at same time receives almost insane, zealot like and out of context love from those who support him

Isn't amazing how we all basically agreed upon something for once? It's a miracle!

[JesusRocks]

This is a real-life example of a n00b winning a CoD4 deathmatch against experienced players :V

[WeirdSmells]

lol, Yeah

[HeyDudez]

First of all, just trying to do something is not an accomplishment in and of itself.

Second of all, there's really nothing to show whether there's been an actual attempt to do these things, or if the government just says it's doing something about them.


I know that. I was'nt saying he deserved the award what I said was he deserves more credit than just being the first Black President of the US. Which is what some people seem to think is the reason he has got the award to begin with.

[Ishikawa Oshro]

According to Nobel's will, the Peace Prize should be awarded to the person who:

“ during the preceding year [...] shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses.[1]

[Cocyta]

According to my American Government teacher, Obama got the Nobel Peace Prize because an American president even simply talking about peace is considered amazing by Europeans.

[Aninamar]

http://i31.tinypic.com/654oix.png
Yo, what's up?
According to my American Government teacher, Obama got the Nobel Peace Prize because an American president even simply talking about peace is considered amazing by Europeans.
Who the hell does he think we are?

[Pokey!]

Rename the Nobel Peace Prize to the Thank God you're not George Walker Bush prize.

[Cocyta]

Who the hell does he think we are?

She thinks you're right to be shocked, considering the Bushes, their wars, and Vietnam. :wink:

[Aninamar]

What are you talking about? Americans did a lot of heroic things to keep the peace. Like the treaty in Yalta. Oh yesss, Roosevelt is loved around these parts.

[Cocyta]

What are you talking about? Americans did a lot of heroic things to keep the peace. Like the treaty in Yalta. Oh yesss, Roosevelt is loved around these parts.

Roosevelt was a long time ago. What have we done lately?

[Fat1Fared]

People figure war is always evil no matter what.

However.

If not one fights back, then we'll have militant radicals taking over the world.

And if no one protects the weak, other countries will be taken over by militant radicals.

And if radicals take over, well, more unhappiness is spread.

Is hell about to feeze over or am I about to agree with Holy on something <yikes>

War is sometimes needed, like with Hitler,

however lot of time, even something which can be seen as just war can be abused for other aims and if no armies at all, then wouldn't be nice, that there would then, be no one to fight over all those wonderful political ideals (you know, the ones made to further peace, freedom and unity around world :thatface: )
=I know, that there will always be those who fight, and practical sense...etc, but it is ironic point of life, isn't it

[Pokey!]

War is sometimes needed, like with Hitler,

Hitler was not a cause of concern to the United States.

[Cocyta]

interesting article related to this topic: "Obama Barred Constitutionally from Accepting Nobel Prize" (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/15/AR2009101502277.html)

[Pokey!]

The president violated the Constitution? Geez, like that has never happened before.

[Spoofs3]

I'm still waiting for a sensible choice for the Peace prize
Like seriously, I am still waiting for Gerry Adams to win it whom stopped alot fo violence in Northern Ireland, Stopped anti-religious mini-wars going on and set up the first mixed Unionist/Nationalist coolition. This deserves a hell of alot more than Obama whom has started practically another dictatorship ¬_¬

[MrsSallyBakura]

I'm still waiting for a sensible choice for the Peace prize
Like seriously, I am still waiting for Gerry Adams to win it whom stopped alot fo violence in Northern Ireland, Stopped anti-religious mini-wars going on and set up the first mixed Unionist/Nationalist coolition. This deserves a hell of alot more than Obama whom has started practically another dictatorship ¬_¬

This Gerry Adams guy sounds awesome already.

How come nobody else has ever heard of him?

[Cocyta]

I guess people don't care about Northern Ireland anymore. >.<;

I wish people would stop caring about the Middle East. Personally, I think we should just take all their weapons, get the troops out, and then build a giant wall around those countries.

Or maybe send all of the inhabitants of those nations to Mars. >.>

Also, the United States should bring home the rest of the troops unnecessarily stationed around the world.

[Aninamar]

This Gerry Adams guy sounds awesome already.

There are a TON of awesome people around. Let me remind you who lost to Al Gore's fairy tales about global warming again... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irena_Sendler)

[Fat1Fared]

This Gerry Adams guy sounds awesome already.

How come nobody else has ever heard of him?

<Yikes> he was also a leader of Sinn Fien, had reportly high links to IRA, his trues with Britain lasted all of year, got banned from entering Britain, was involved in several other Irish protest groups and was involved in riots and several such things (though he did survive an assassination attempt,)

Now not saying, he was bad guy bond villain and those he was against were whiter than white, but, he had several contentious links, and with how gray an area this is anyway, I would be personally unsure of my stance, when comes to things like slapping praise apon him (however, he probably done more to earn it than Obama)

[MrsSallyBakura]

There are a TON of awesome people around. Let me remind you who lost to Al Gore's fairy tales about global warming again... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irena_Sendler)

When did Al Gore win it again? 2007?

*sees that she died last year*

@Fared: Oops, lol, that's what happens when I speak before doing my research.

[imphic]

Since there are many humanitarians we have not heard of who have worked years in developing countries and have risked their life to resolve conflict and promote the quality of life, I think Obama is not the best choice.

[metroid119]

this is like how when my father would give my little brother 5 dollars before he cleaned his bedroom...and 100% of the time he never cleaned it

[Spoofs3]

<Yikes> he was also a leader of Sinn Fien, had reportly high links to IRA, his trues with Britain lasted all of year, got banned from entering Britain, was involved in several other Irish protest groups and was involved in riots and several such things (though he did survive an assassination attempt,)

Now not saying, he was bad guy bond villain and those he was against were whiter than white, but, he had several contentious links, and with how gray an area this is anyway, I would be personally unsure of my stance, when comes to things like slapping praise apon him (however, he probably done more to earn it than Obama)

Nah, I like Gerry Adams, He may have done bad things in the past but in the modern Era, he has done more to help Northern Ireland than anyone else.
And he still IS leader of SInn Fein, But that's not a bad thing. It is a legit Political party and a top political player in the North.
And most of his violence lies behind him, and most of the thing syou mentioned are in the past and should stay in the past, He has shown enough to show he is a good man nowadays and I believe he has changed from when he was in the IRA.

Also, I suppose most people have not heard of him because of some reasons. Well 1. It is Northern Ireland, Many people just haven't heard of or just don't care for Northern Irish politics.
2. He was in the IRA and was a terrorist. THis little fact kinda speaks for itself on why the world wants to hush people like him up.
3. He is the leader of Sinn Fein and Unioniosts don't like Sinn Fein (Especially Britain due to thier abstention policy from Westminster. If you go on a tour of Westminster, They will tell you the first woman to take her seat and her history, however they will "Forget" to mention the first woman who was elected to the Parliment was SInn Fein)

Anyways, Once again. I don't like the way Obama won it, And heavy criticism IS being laid on him and rightfully should. I can think of so much more who have done better things and will do better things than a President whom is extremily unpopular and is causing controversy.

[Ishikawa Oshro]

spoof your argument is illogical. the only mistake we can critiscize obama is on the fact the award states your "deeds of national affairs" must exceed a year of service to be elgible. so gerry adams is already in-elgible because he did not bring peace on a national scale. obama wasent included in oversea affairs till recently. and all other presidents havent accepted the award till their terms came to a close. but the nobel has lost its original purpose for being incouragement to promote world peace into

[Ishikawa Oshro]

a popularity contest. and other less deserving men have been awarded also. i suggest if your so upset you do something about it because this is nothing new. if not then prepare to see future awards be awarded to the man/woman who benefits from it most.

[Spoofs3]

spoof your argument is illogical. the only mistake we can critiscize obama is on the fact the award states your "deeds of national affairs" must exceed a year of service to be elgible. so gerry adams is already in-elgible because he did not bring peace on a national scale. obama wasent included in oversea affairs till recently. and all other presidents havent accepted the award till their terms came to a close. but the nobel has lost its original purpose for being incouragement to promote world peace into

My arguement is completely logical :P
Obama's popularity is the lowest of any president since early 1900's in their first year of office. Also Obama's deeds of national affairs has not exceeded a year, and what deeds? He hasn't done any deeds. He has TALKED about doing deeds...
Don't say Gerry Adams is in-eligible, he helped end Sinn Fein abstention in the Republic meaning it was a step away from their connections with the violence of the IRA in 1986. Organized an IRA ceasefire in 1994, Helped set up the Good Friday agreement in 1998. Helped begin a stable power sharing in the North.
His actions have LONG passed a single year. Something which our good mate Obama cannot say.
Also, the origional purpose of the Nobel Peace Prize was only partially to encourage and promote world peace but to also award recognition to people who have already claimed peace. I can list so many other people - and if Gerry Adams isn't good enough, I can list others - who deserve it much more than Obama. He doesn't deserve it, never has, never will.

[Ishikawa Oshro]

Overmind stated it once before. there are always those more deserving but because they are more deserving they never recieve the awards.

Meaning those who truly deserve the award or at least nominated work behind the scenes and are seldom ever heard about or givien recognization.

Obama happens to have been a very great public figure even before he became president with his presentations of peace in euro and other foreign countrys. So speaking yes he is very "qualified" to be presented the award.

and the key to the award is PEACE GLOBAL wise. Not within a couple countries.

[Spoofs3]

The Nobel Peace Prize has NEVER been peace global wise.
SOme have received it for one country before and I doubt they will be the last.
It all depends on how much peace was gained within that one country, Giving it to somebody who will never achieve their goals but to encourage them to try is pointless in my opinion.

[Ishikawa Oshro]

ive already posted the "original" intent of the nobel peace prize.
Though down the line it has been taken out of context and been given out nilly willy.

Someone greater is always deserving

[OverMind]

Overmind stated it once before. there are always those more deserving but because they are more deserving they never recieve the awards.

I chuckled when I read this.

First off, the quote being attributed to me was based on a discussion I had with Zairak in DN:TFG regarding HoFs (i.e. HoFs are often not awarded to players that were significant, but to players that "seemed" significant). I can't blame you for mixing up an internationally recognized award for humanitarian efforts with a makeshift title from an obscure online forum game though; they're only slightly different.

Second, I've never posted in this thread until now. The main reason being that the Nobel Peace Prize is the oddball of the Nobal Prize family and debating whether or not an individual deserves it is stupid. In contrast to the Prizes relating to the sciences which take into account an individual's lifetime achievements, the Nobel Peace Prize is usually awarded based on short-term achievements that everyone faintly remembers because it was mentioned briefly in the media.

To further justify my point above, how can anyone take a "Peace" Prize seriously when Ghandi was nominated for it at least four times, including in the year he died, yet he failed to receive it?

Ghandi is the motherfucking personification of peace.

Therefore, the prize is a sham.

[AllisonWalker]

I chuckled when I read this.

First off, the quote being attributed to me was based on a discussion I had with Zairak in DN:TFG regarding HoFs (i.e. HoFs are often not awarded to players that were significant, but to players that "seemed" significant). I can't blame you for mixing up an internationally recognized award for humanitarian efforts with a makeshift title from an obscure online forum game though; they're only slightly different.

Second, I've never posted in this thread until now. The main reason being that the Nobel Peace Prize is the oddball of the Nobal Prize family and debating whether or not an individual deserves it is stupid. In contrast to the Prizes relating to the sciences which take into account an individual's lifetime achievements, the Nobel Peace Prize is usually awarded based on short-term achievements that everyone faintly remembers because it was mentioned briefly in the media.

To further justify my point above, how can anyone take a "Peace" Prize seriously when Ghandi was nominated for it at least four times, including in the year he died, yet he failed to receive it?

Ghandi is the motherfucking personification of peace.

Therefore, the prize is a sham.

You. Are. Amazing.

Thanks again for your wisdom.

[Spoofs3]

Indeed, Agreed with Overmind.
And I don't see why anyone shouldn't?
He gives good points :S

[Ishikawa Oshro]

I chuckled when I read this.

First off, the quote being attributed to me was based on a discussion I had with Zairak in DN:TFG regarding HoFs (i.e. HoFs are often not awarded to players that were significant, but to players that "seemed" significant). I can't blame you for mixing up an internationally recognized award for humanitarian efforts with a makeshift title from an obscure online forum game though; they're only slightly different.

Second, I've never posted in this thread until now. The main reason being that the Nobel Peace Prize is the oddball of the Nobal Prize family and debating whether or not an individual deserves it is stupid. In contrast to the Prizes relating to the sciences which take into account an individual's lifetime achievements, the Nobel Peace Prize is usually awarded based on short-term achievements that everyone faintly remembers because it was mentioned briefly in the media.

To further justify my point above, how can anyone take a "Peace" Prize seriously when Ghandi was nominated for it at least four times, including in the year he died, yet he failed to receive it?

Ghandi is the motherfucking personification of peace.

Therefore, the prize is a sham.

Its not a sham at all. Just like anything else in this world imperfect people have come up with a great idea to motivate world peace (more like one mans idea). Imperfect people make bad decisions.
Should we call the president a sham because WE elect a president based off of what we want instead of having them take a truck load of tests, measure each ones intelligence, and then have the most qualified elected -_-

Its obvious its an imperfect system. If your gonna critiscize it then critiscize all the imperfect awards that are given because someone better will always be lurking.

And ghandi cant even be argued properly. The comittes reasoning sucks enourmously saying that they couldent get a hold og ghandi (which would have been aceptable seeing as he was not easy to be found) but the fact that he was in london they could have given the award then disregarding his attire.

was of ghandi's color. Seeing as he was not white and racial tensions were still high awarding ghandi the prize diddent seem as great an idea as they had believed it would.

[Ishikawa Oshro]

Racism is the reason they chose not to give Ghandi the award.

Did you not read my last statement >.>
And we live in an imperfect world. Rascism was high at its time and it only made sense to do what was safe than to be the "trend setter".


Intelligence alone a good leader does not make. I wouldn't want a genius as President who's a total dick, or complete evil. Neither would you.

Miss interpreted again. You can test social skills also. Which they happen to DO when they select nominees to run for party's.

Get used to it. The award will continue to be given to someone less worthy than the recipitent of the immediate award. Its life. But it dosent take away from the presence and atmosphere the award creates.

Promoting world order and incouraging country-country peace. Just because its given to someone who may be undeserving than someone else does not mean the award has lost its value or worth.


...Ishi. It's a sham. Get over it. It's not about being right. It's about doing the right thing. Do the right thing and use what little resources your brain has left after learning to type. Admit that you're wrong and just get over yourself.

We will criticize all awards that are not fair. We will call them a sham.

=O

[marjoh3]

He won it for not being like George Bush!

[Ishikawa Oshro]

Yes, and you try to become perfect, even though it's impossible. It's called growth. EVERYONE grows. You don't try to fight a nation with swords and shields now any more than you give an award to someone with no regards to growth. They could very easily be 'trend-setters' just like when muskets were first used, destroying their enemies.

Again. Get over yourself. You're not always right, you narcissist.

No, actually, that's EXACTLY what that means. If you give an award, you give to the person in first place. You don't give it to the person in about 62nd place just because he happens to hate someone you hate. There's a word for things like that: Corruption. The award and committee is corrupt. Just get over it.



Ironically, he's EXACTLY like George Bush... just, you know, good at reading off of teleprompters.

did you read half of what you posted.
Re-read and then try reposting in a manner in which I can take you seriously
I just see you poking fun at the man ^_^........and me hahah