Woman Can't Rape

[Fat1Fared]

Now, before you all flame me, this actually correct according to many laws, something I was amazed to find out, that because of literally tech's in Law, a woman cannot be charged with rape, only sexual assault, now my question is in fact two questions,

Theological=1=can a woman rape someone?

Legal=2=Is it right for Law to allow tech word use, to allow such a divide?
=Even some US states, Britain and several European countries allow this.
=Is right how little is known?

- forcing of somebody into sex: the crime of using force somebody to have sexual intercourse with somebody


Here is definition for rape and the problem word, as the few people who know this strange law, agrue over its reason, but many “wrongly” (like is right reason) believe it is because man are very easily aroused, meaning cannot be involuntary, however this is tech not right according Sexual Offences Act 2003 (the act which means woman can get similar sentence at lest now) and it is in fact, because woman, shell we say, lack the equipment, to force intercourse, as don’t have ability to make forced penetration, and this is what rape actually is.

My view

1=Yes, a woman can rape, if someone has sex forced on them, whether their one doing the penetration or not, doesn't matter, and the lack of serious thought in this area is bad enough without, declassfiing it

2=No, this area is which is already not taken seriously and though sentencing may have improved, actually spitting it, still adds to this foolish idea that woman cannot do sexual assaults and that on another level, man are somehow safe from these things

[Cocyta]

1) A woman can commit rape, because even if she isn't forcing penetration onto another, she is forcing another person to penetrate her. Also, just because the body agrees (arousal), that doesn't mean the mind agrees. Finally, although a woman does not have "the physical equipment" to penetrate another person, there are objects (and not just those specifically designed for intercourse) that can be used in place of said physical equipment - and yes, forcibly using any object to penetrate a person counts as rape.

2) It is not right for the law to allow such a divide, as it is based on faulty reasoning.

[MrsSallyBakura]

I agree that women can rape.

I've just never heard of a real-life case where that has actually happened. The sad thing is that it probably does, and the woman gets away with it.

[DarthWario]

I know that if two underage participants engage in underage sex, then its always the boy who gets the statatory rape charge even if it was completely conscensual.

But women can rape, i'm certain of it.

[Cocyta]

I've just never heard of a real-life case where that has actually happened. The sad thing is that it probably does, and the woman gets away with it.

Wikipedia article on rape (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape)

Answers.com on rape (http://www.answers.com/topic/rape)

DePaul Office of Sexual Violence Support Services on rape (http://studentaffairs.depaul.edu/svss/usa/myths.html)

Can Women Rape Men? (http://daddy.typepad.com/daddyblog/2008/05/can-women-rape.html)

Women can rape men too (http://www.merinews.com/article/women-can-rape-men-too/155880.shtml)

Women Raping Men (http://charmandrigor.com/clips/details-raping.html)

A case of women raping men in Tembisa, South Africa. (http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/141643)

Woman held for raping man in Stockholm (http://www.thelocal.se/12046.html)

Black widow woman who drugged and raped ten men (http://djd.newsvine.com/_news/2009/06/20/2950392-black-widow-woman-who-drugged-and-raped-ten-men)

[Xanadu]

yeah if she puts on a strap on or something

I don't think I'd like to have the shit beaten out of me then raped up the behind

that sounds unpleasant no matter who's doing it

[Cocyta]

Xanadu, haven't you heard of riding a man?
A person doesn't need to be the penetrator to be the perpetrator.

[killshot]

A person doesn't need to be the penetrator to be the perpetrator.

This is my new favorite quote.

[Fat1Fared]

1) A woman can commit rape, because even if she isn't forcing penetration onto another, she is forcing another person to penetrate her. Also, just because the body agrees (arousal), that doesn't mean the mind agrees. Finally, although a woman does not have "the physical equipment" to penetrate another person, there are objects (and not just those specifically designed for intercourse) that can be used in place of said physical equipment - and yes, forcibly using any object to penetrate a person counts as rape.

2) It is not right for the law to allow such a divide, as it is based on faulty reasoning.

I agree 100%, yet several legal systems, seem to disagree to massive level and no one cares, because it is man getting screwed, its like whole world has taken a holyshadow view, that he should like it or something 0_o

PS I do like that quote, mind if I nick it for my moot in few weeks

[Cocyta]

Wow, two people so far like that quote. I wasn't intentionally trying to make a catchy slogan, but if it works to help get the message out, sure, people can use it.

[HolyShadow]

Drugs and sex tools can be used on the man... give them viagra and there ya go.

[Cocyta]

Exactly, and in some of the cases, viagra and/or handjobs had been given to the men to make them erect.

[OverMind]

This reminds me of an episode of Law & Order: SVU where a male stripper got raped by 3 women (who were pretty good-looking) at a Bachelor party.

I'm glad something awful like that has never happened to me. I can only imagine the emotional scarring that would result from such a traumatic incident.

[JesusRocks]

The way I remember it is that in UK law, the definition of rape is unwanted penetration.

No penetration = no rape

However, a woman cannot force a man to penetrate her against his will, because:
- The charge of rape applies to the person doing the PENETRATING, not the person being PENETRATED (i.e. you cannot rape someone by having them penetrate you)

However, WOMEN CAN COMMIT RAPE
Rape does not have to be committed through penetration by a penis.
Unwanted penetration with any kind of object is classed as rape.

So a woman could, say, rape a man (or another woman) with a bottle, or a pipe, or something to that effect...
A woman could equally rape a man or another woman with some kind of sex toy.

I would suppose that technically, even penetration via a finger could also count.

When I'm not so busy, I'll post the relevant case-law and such...

[Cocyta]

Actually, that was Fat1Fared's point: while certain laws say that rape is only unwanted penetration, this is not right, because men can be forced to have sex against their will.

And yes, a man can be forced to penetrate a woman against his will. A physical reaction does not equal consent. Men can and do get an erection from fear, anger, or stress. They also become erect during sleep.

A woman can take advantage of a man while he sleeps. She can also provide drugs, handjobs, and other methods to make him erect against his will.

The law may say the man wasn't raped, but his trauma will be the same as a woman who was, by legal definition, raped.

[Fat1Fared]

The way I remember it is that in UK law, the definition of rape is unwanted penetration.

No penetration = no rape

However, a woman cannot force a man to penetrate her against his will, because:
- The charge of rape applies to the person doing the PENETRATING, not the person being PENETRATED (i.e. you cannot rape someone by having them penetrate you)

However, WOMEN CAN COMMIT RAPE
Rape does not have to be committed through penetration by a penis.
Unwanted penetration with any kind of object is classed as rape.

So a woman could, say, rape a man (or another woman) with a bottle, or a pipe, or something to that effect...
A woman could equally rape a man or another woman with some kind of sex toy.

I would suppose that technically, even penetration via a finger could also count.

When I'm not so busy, I'll post the relevant case-law and such...

No, this would be under class of sexual assault, I use to believe like you, this would all be considered rape, but isn't it is merely sexual assault, though sexual offenses act has balanced up the level of proscution, it has still left rape as man only thing and the case law has accepted this (of course)
=With toy's and such, it is still classed as merely assault, as woman cannot sexually penetrate him with "penis", because if it isn't real, doesn't count (penis matters for some reason, which is why I lost my moot on it,l) and so only way I can think of it working, is so sick, not even going to write it

[DarthWario]

So it depends on how you define rape-by the law for it, or the logical conclusion.

By Law its hard if not impossible for women to rape, but by peoples definition of rape they actually can.

[Cocyta]

That's right, DarthWario, and that's why some people want the law to be changed so that women can be charged with rape.

[Roseleaf]

Frankly, I think the polotician (sp) who made this law should be thumped in the head multiple times with a bible, and then a copy of Douglas Adam's Hitchhiker's Guide to The Galaxy. It's still sexual intercourse, no matter who does the 'penatrating'. And even if it is only sexual assualt, they should get the same penalties as any other rapist.

[Cocyta]

I think that would be the wrongful use of a Bible and Hitchhiker's Guide to The Galaxy.

How about using a Nerf bat instead?

[HolyShadow]

No, beat them over the head with a crucifix and rape them with a towel.

[Alvin &the Chipmunk]

i agree 100% that a women can be the rapist, as the persone who is actully forcing the other into the sexual intercorse or rape is the perpetrator.
people would assume teh word rape with men which is sexist but i agree that women can rape the oppisite or same sex

[OverMind]

When it's done by a beautiful woman (she's got be a 7.5 +/- 0.5 at least), it's a kinky and potentially exotic sexual encounter.

When it's done by anyone else, it's rape.

That's generally the criteria I follow, as experience has taught me.

[Fat1Fared]

When it's done by a beautiful woman (she's got be a 7.5 +/- 0.5 at least), it's a kinky and potentially exotic sexual encounter.

When it's done by anyone else, it's rape.

That's generally the criteria I follow, as experience has taught me.

overmind, allowing Holyshadow's ghost inside your head, wasn't good for you was it?

[OverMind]

overmind, allowing Holyshadow's ghost inside your head, wasn't good for you was it?

Oh, come on, I'm basically speaking the viewpoint that's on every guy's mind when they read this thread. Apparently, no one caught my sarcasm in the original post I made in this thread so I had to be a little more blunt.

Honestly, is there any male who would object to be coerced into sexual intercourse with a beautiful lady?

On a side note, most rapes committed by females are statutory. So, the situation I'm talking about is practically non-existent in rape statistics, which makes most of the discussion in this thread irrelevant. If you want to talk about female rape, you have to at least talk about this.

[Cocyta]

Honestly, is there any male who would object to be coerced into sexual intercourse with a beautiful lady?

Apparently, there are some men.

And I don't just mean homosexual ones.

[OverMind]

Apparently, there are some men.

Hmm, kind of like that character in the Law & Order episode I referenced. Of course, he's just a character and I'm a little more media-literate than I make myself out to be.

*sighs*

If I were to ever meet such a person in real life, though, I'd lose my faith in humanity almost immediately. For now, I'm filing such a person under fairy tale monsters, right below Yeti.

[darkarcher]

Honestly, is there any male who would object to be coerced into sexual intercourse with a beautiful lady?

I'm certain there are some men made of tougher moral fiber who would object.

[OverMind]

I'm certain there are some men made of tougher moral fiber who would object.

Curses, it seems I've overlooked the moral crowd (i.e. Someone who is married and faithful, if not anything else). I guess that serves me right for putting my own frame of reference ahead of others.

Now, if we're just talking about a single, young bachelor ...

[darkarcher]

Curses, it seems I've overlooked the moral crowd (i.e. Someone who is married and faithful, if not anything else). I guess that serves me right for putting my own frame of reference ahead of others.

Now, if we're just talking about a single, young bachelor ...

Right. I figured you had merely overlooked such things due to your personal reference. Now your argument makes more sense, lol.

[OverMind]

Right. I figured you had merely overlooked such things due to your personal reference. Now your argument makes more sense, lol.

Like I said, rape doesn't make sense for my demographic. Or, for most male demographics. It's just not widespread.

I say this because most female rape is committed where a female in a position of authority takes advantage of a subordinate (i.e. usually the teacher-student relationship that goes a little too far, but not limited to sexual abuse of a minor).

So, while we all agree that female rape is possible, it's not what you'd expect or most of you may have a false impression of it (i.e. most female rapes aren't committed against fully-competent, adult males ... if they were, they'd turn from rape into an awesome sexual encounter you'd definitely recount with your friends sometime in the future. High fives all around and the like.).

[Fat1Fared]

Curses, it seems I've overlooked the moral crowd (i.e. Someone who is married and faithful, if not anything else). I guess that serves me right for putting my own frame of reference ahead of others.

Now, if we're just talking about a single, young bachelor ...

well, I'm ether moral or in relationship (hell I don't even believe in true love) but I still have more about me than to just be interested in mindless sex, (and if don't believe that is fair enough, but these is reason lot of guys call me femine and gay and isn't because I'm gay)

Fact is, if I turn down sex, no matter who it is, and still forced to have it, then that is rape, this isn't to do with psychological causes of rape (IE why poeple rape) or moral indignation of some men, its to do with an insane techincaly in english language which is being abused as much abusment is meaning of word

[FanMan]

I found this thread a little ironic for me cause I talked with this with a friend of mine IRL about if a woman can rape a man and strangely enough, I find this thread today.

My opinion on this matter is in two parts.

Part 1:
In today's society that we live in, people actually find it hard to believe that a man can be raped by a woman because usually a man is either stronger than the woman or because he would consent to having sex with a woman.

Part 2:
I think that the term of rape should be more-over used as being forced into sexual intercourse against one's own will instead of the penis raping a woman thing. It is possible that a woman can rape a man forcefully. Again bringing up Law and Order, there was another episode where a woman was stalking down a few rich and famous men and drugged them. Then she would bring them back to her apartment and forcfully give them an erection where she would get his semem after ejaculation and impregnate herself to have that guys child and force him into paying child support.

This shows that it is paussable that a woman can rape a man against his consent but unfortunately, the law would see this as sexual assault. I guess what I'm trying to say is that woman do have the ability to rape but its just not how we as a society see it and rethink how we see the definition of rape.

[OverMind]

I think that the term of rape should be more-over used as being forced into sexual intercourse against one's own will instead of the penis raping a woman thing. It is possible that a woman can rape a man forcefully. Again bringing up Law and Order, there was another episode where a woman was stalking down a few rich and famous men and drugged them. Then she would bring them back to her apartment and forcfully give them an erection where she would get his semem after ejaculation and impregnate herself to have that guys child and force him into paying child support.

Scary stuff. I'll be damned if I'm paying for child support as a result of sex that I:

a) Wasn't even aware that I had.
b) Didn't even enjoy.

[EdBat]

Bah. The sad thing is, due to the world we live in it happens all of the time, but it's never brought up due to embarrassment or the thought that "oh well I was erect I guess, the courts will never be on my side."

[Insane]

When it's done by a beautiful woman (she's got be a 7.5 +/- 0.5 at least), it's a kinky and potentially exotic sexual encounter.

When it's done by anyone else, it's rape.

That's generally the criteria I follow, as experience has taught me.
*facepalms*
Oh, come on, I'm basically speaking the viewpoint that's on every guy's mind when they read this thread. Apparently, no one caught my sarcasm in the original post I made in this thread so I had to be a little more blunt.
We got it...

Honestly, is there any male who would object to be coerced into sexual intercourse with a beautiful lady?

Yeah, me.

[HolyShadow]

You're gay, Insane?

[musigal]

You're gay, Insane?

no, I think he just has a higher standard that he holds himself to.
why does everyone assume that every guy wants to have sex with whatever girl he can find? yeah, his body might, but com'on! has anyone heard of self control?

[HolyShadow]

no, I think he just has a higher standard that he holds himself to.
why does everyone assume that every guy wants to have sex with whatever girl he can find? yeah, his body might might, but common! has anyone heard of self control?
I've heard of that... it's what PETA uses to avoid eating animals.

Ah. Stupidity.

...

:V

[AllisonWalker]

Remember girls, as long as you're beautiful, you can assault all the men you want!

[AsteriskRocks]

A person doesn't need to be the penetrator to be the perpetrator.

LOL

[FanMan]

I think this topic is starting to trail off a little from a serious discussion.

[musigal]

ok, my opinion about the actual topic:
though the definition of rape currently prevents women from perpetrating rape due to physical limitations on her part, I think that women should be able to be charged with rape. forcing yourself on someone unwilling should be classified as rape no matter if you can penetrate or not. women who force men should have the same penalty as men who force women (albeit much less commonly).

in short:
women can rape
they should be punished the same as men who do

[Roseleaf]

Honestly, is there any male who would object to be coerced into sexual intercourse with a beautiful lady?




what about a guy that is happily married and faithful? Guys can have the same emotions as a chick. And even if I was a guy, and I had kids and a wife and was FORCED to do something that you are only supposed to do with a person you love, a would be pretty damn piss'd.

[AllisonWalker]

what about a guy that is happily married and faithful? Guys can have the same emotions as a chick. And even if I was a guy, and I had kids and a wife and was FORCED to do something that you are only supposed to do with a person you love, a would be pretty damn piss'd.

this. I had some hope for the male species.

[darkarcher]

what about a guy that is happily married and faithful? Guys can have the same emotions as a chick. And even if I was a guy, and I had kids and a wife and was FORCED to do something that you are only supposed to do with a person you love, a would be pretty damn piss'd.

this. I had some hope for the male species.

You guys are like the 5th and 6th people to say this. -__-;;

OverMind has already admitted that his definition was not satisfactory and has since given a new one with a much more limited view.

[ggctuk]

I agree that women can rape.

I've just never heard of a real-life case where that has actually happened. The sad thing is that it probably does, and the woman gets away with it.

Several years ago, I read about a man who was raped by two women outside a pub, I think it was in London.

[AllisonWalker]

I know he did, its just all the times I've heard that before.

[OverMind]

Several years ago, I read about a man who was raped by two women outside a pub, I think it was in London.

One man's emotional scars are another man's story to tell at Friday night's poker game with the guys.

*High-fives all around*