Students suspended for wearing Patriotic clothing on 5.5.10

[mystra]

Students punished for wearing American Flags on Cinco de Mayo/ (http://pajamasmedia.com/zombie/2010/05/06/students-punished-for-wearing-american-flags-on-cinco-de-mayo/)

I'm sorry but I thought we lived in *AMERICA! wtf is this bullshit? America is going to hell way too quickly now a days.


*barring those actually in other countries whom this article isn't in reference to

[ThePRPD]

Blame the school/Board of Ed.

[MrsSallyBakura]

I blame people who are thoroughly obsessed with being politically correct.

I understand a desire to respect minorities, but you don't have to bash the majority in the process.

[ThePRPD]

I blame people who are thoroughly obsessed with being politically correct.

Yeah, this to. Political correctness can be so annoying.

[HarleyThomas1002]

Weren't there a few cases of people being told to leave and then being escorted out of a building for wearing Anti-Bush shirts during his presidency?

[JesusRocks]

We get this kind of crap waaay too much in the UK

[TitanAura]

I'm offended by tight pants. I believe all people who wear tight pants are undeserving of equal treatment because of my own personal feelings regardless of the context or intention.

[darkarcher]

This sort of random censorship does not make any sense to me.

[MrsSallyBakura]

Weren't there a few cases of people being told to leave and then being escorted out of a building for wearing Anti-Bush shirts during his presidency?

I never heard of this. But there was one time where a girl wore a pro-McCain shirt during the 2008 election season and kids were verbally abusing her. School board didn't get her in trouble for wearing the shirt (in fact her history teacher gave her the idea for extra credit), but still, you don't do that to people. It's just dumb.

I'm offended by tight pants. I believe all people who wear tight pants are undeserving of equal treatment because of my own personal feelings regardless of the context or intention.

Racist. Give your minorities respect! >:V

This sort of random censorship does not make any sense to me.

It doesn't have to. We're being plagued by a society that claims that being politically correct and favoring the minority over the majority is the better thing to do.

Like I said, I'm all for giving minorities respect and support, but banning the American flag from school is not the way to do it. Besides, the kids didn't even know that it was against the rules to wear it - how were they supposed to know that it would get them in trouble?

They were at worst being jackasses, and at best being patriotic. Big whoop.

[darkarcher]

Besides, the kids didn't even know that it was against the rules to wear it

Because it wasn't.

And if we're going to be fair and politically correct, then we should enact some sort of punishment on anybody from other countries who displays their national symbol in the 4th of July.

[MrsSallyBakura]

Because it wasn't.

And if we're going to be fair and politically correct, then we should enact some sort of punishment on anybody from other countries who displays their national symbol in the 4th of July.

BUT THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE CELEBRATE IT, THEREFORE IT'S OK TO POTENTIALLY OFFEND THEM

I know, it doesn't make sense to me, either. You just have to deal with people's BS sometimes. :/

[darkarcher]

BUT THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE CELEBRATE IT, THEREFORE IT'S OK TO POTENTIALLY OFFEND THEM

I know, it doesn't make sense to me, either. You just have to deal with people's BS sometimes. :/

And sometimes you have to call people out for their BS to create an actual peaceful coexistence through understanding rather than a forced coexistence.

[MrsSallyBakura]

And sometimes you have to call people out for their BS to create an actual peaceful coexistence through understanding rather than a forced coexistence.

You can only really do that if you have any kind of power to call people out for their BS, unfortunately.

[HarleyThomas1002]

It is a possibility that they were being assholes.

They chose that specific day to show up at school looking like the Status of Liberty's pimp.

If it was one person it could be possible (grasping at straws) that it was a coincidense, but five people who were all friends is not a coincidense.

[MrsSallyBakura]

Yet even if they were being assholes, it's still not that bad to wear an American flag on a Mexican holiday.

If people didn't make a big deal about it, then they wouldn't even look like assholes.

Mexican friends can all make it a point to wear the Mexican flag on the 4th of July, I don't care, lol.

[Jotenks]

Political correctness is making sure not to offend any living thing that is capable of existing.

[HarleyThomas1002]

Or the rule was in place as to not cause any disruptions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katie_Sierra_suspension_controversy) which seemed like what they intended to do.

[mystra]

Or the rule was in place as to not cause any disruptions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katie_Sierra_suspension_controversy) which seemed like what they intended to do.

There is no rule. The principal told them they could wear the clothing ANY other day but May 5th. Cinco de Mayo actually means very little to the Mexican people in the first place and is more of an American sponsored holiday to drink. In Mexico there are no celebrations to commemorate May 5th. If this incident occurred before the immigration issue became an issue it wouldn't've been anything to make the news nor would anyone be told to take off their clothes.

Take a look at Puerto Rican or Portuguese Day. Those immigrants fly their flags right along side the American one in their parades and you never hear of any issues on either day with people getting suspended for the same shit.

[greymagick711]

(Quotes from the linked article): One of the students said it appeared school administrators were worried the patriotic shirts could trigger fights.

Yeah, that sounds about right. The students were probably just being jerks to their latino classmates, wanting to get a reaction. After all, they were in San JoseThe admins might have just wanted them to discard them to avoid conflict.

I just can't believe that Mexican students living in America would actually be that offended by it, that is, unless the said students were truly assholes. I mean, there are different flags being flown alongside the US during the Fouth of July no problem. I'd go far enough to say that it's almost part of our culture to reflect and relish in our different heritages, while still being proud of being American.

Of course, people can be jerks during both wayyy too commercialized holidays.

[Kanap]

Seems rather retaaaarded to me

[AdjacentOrigin]

This really depends on whether these students were deliberately trying to provoke a reaction from other students or whether they were expressing their freedom of speech and were punished due to political correctness. Based on the article I would side with the students. It's not like they were wearing French flags, which would have likely been provocative and intentional. (Cinco de Mayo was based on Mexican and French forces fighting each other).

[ValkyrieJuno]

This really depends on whether these students were deliberately trying to provoke a reaction from other students or whether they were expressing their freedom of speech and were punished due to political correctness. Based on the article I would side with the students. It's not like they were wearing French flags, which would have likely been provocative and intentional. (Cinco de Mayo was based on Mexican and French forces fighting each other).

For one, while I don't think political correctness is bad, people often take it too far. For someone who is mute, they use the term "dumb" to identify them. This probably offends the person even more and is more likely to get made fun of. (And really, what's wrong with describing someone who can't talk as mute?)

It's ridiculous on how they fight over something as stupid as that. Of course they would wear patriotic symbols such as the American flag. This is AMERICA for God's sake. If you're gonna live in a country then you shouldn't be offended by symbols that represent it for any reason. If someone is, then they should move to another country. It's so retarded. -_-

[Quackers]

I just think it's retarded. Suspending students for wearing a T-Shirt with flags? Seems like a waste to me. And even if it wasn't the American flag, really nobody should be getting in trouble for that. Unless they wore something with a Nazi symbol. That I'd understand.

[Aninamar]

Really.

In a world with people who wear Che Guevara t-shirts because that's so "in" and they're so free and rebellious and don't have the slightest idea on who Guevara was, you can't wear an American flag because the son of the Turk who sells kebabs COULD BE offended by this display of... errr... associating yourself with America.

Nothing can surprise me anymore.

[EZE]

Same thing happen to the town next to mine.

[Gamemaster300]

nothing ever surprizes me anymore. i dun see why you should be sent home for whereing a shirt with a f*%king flag on it. These are places in america, right??? If anything other flags should be banned. (not saying thats what i want). The only things shat should banned are those things which stop the learning process (assuming this is in a school).

Me and a friend were talken about this. He said on the forth of july we should go to mexico and rip down all there flags and say "thats offencive to america"

Yes, whereing a flag could somehow cause outrage (not sure how though). In that case yes they should be sent home because it is causing a problem with the learning environment. But to say its offencive???? Come on.

[Fat1Fared]

To be fair, while i agree with the sentiments that sending a student home for wearing a Flag T-shirt is wrong, I think find lot of these people who get lumped with the "we're being offended" tag, actually don't give too shits about you wearing an American flag and if you were to go to into Mexico and do that, it would prove nothing as I can assure you, that your rage will be directed at wrong people, as though guessing here, I suspect 90% of Mexicans actually have far bigger concerns on their plate than an American flag

=I think good example of this is in my Uni City, the Council took down several England flags which had been hung up across the street for coming world cup, this was because it was against health and safety (basically if they blew down and blocked car or bike's view...etc)
-Now moving away from Health and Safety justifications, this was met with mass protest and many Muslin committee’s were greatly defamed against, as people said it was CP gone mad and how Muslin rule was taking over and soon we wouldn’t be allowed to use word English…..etc <I die little inside>, but the decision had nothing to do with CP concerns, however people instantly and (though I may offend some here,) ignorantly jumped on the attack the minority bandwagon without even learning the facts and this whole thing ended as a national incident, (much to my personal bemusement) but it shows the point quite well, just as English people need to stop blaming Muslins for every action their leadership make, Americans need to stop blaming Mexicans for very problem in their county, I mean think about it, do you really believe anyone in the Higharchy of the US gives two shits about what Mexicans think

[Gamemaster300]

seems like people think it depends on the justification

[darkarcher]

To be fair, while i agree with the sentiments that sending a student home for wearing a Flag T-shirt is wrong, I think find lot of these people who get lumped with the "we're being offended" tag, actually don't give too shits about you wearing an American flag and if you were to go to into Mexico and do that, it would prove nothing as I can assure you, that your rage will be directed at wrong people, as though guessing here, I suspect 90% of Mexicans actually have far bigger concerns on their plate than an American flag

=I think good example of this is in my Uni City, the Council took down several England flags which had been hung up across the street for coming world cup, this was because it was against health and safety (basically if they blew down and blocked car or bike's view...etc)
-Now moving away from Health and Safety justifications, this was met with mass protest and many Muslin committee’s were greatly defamed against, as people said it was CP gone mad and how Muslin rule was taking over and soon we wouldn’t be allowed to use word English…..etc <I die little inside>, but the decision had nothing to do with CP concerns, however people instantly and (though I may offend some here,) ignorantly jumped on the attack the minority bandwagon without even learning the facts and this whole thing ended as a national incident, (much to my personal bemusement) but it shows the point quite well, just as English people need to stop blaming Muslins for every action their leadership make, Americans need to stop blaming Mexicans for very problem in their county, I mean think about it, do you really believe anyone in the Higharchy of the US gives two shits about what Mexicans think

I think most of the rage isn't directed against the Mexican-American community as much as it is against policy makers who are arbitrarily trying to keep people of other cultures from being offended when the things they are preventing shouldn't be offensive in the least to those people.

[TitanAura]

I think most of the rage isn't directed against the Mexican-American community as much as it is against policy makers who are arbitrarily trying to keep people of other cultures from being offended when the things they are preventing shouldn't be offensive in the least to those people.
Well I stated in the american flag thread that such actions do offend me. The difference is when I'm offended, I don't immediately walk up to the "offender" and go "I'm offended so stop believing what you believe in because from my perspective you are wrong. Now lick my boots as punishment."

It's basically what you said. What's ridiculous is that the people imposing these rules are creamy white people who believe they must be crusaders of justice and are basically trying to dictate what is or is not offensive to a minority that they don't even belong to.

[Fat1Fared]

I think most of the rage isn't directed against the Mexican-American community as much as it is against policy makers who are arbitrarily trying to keep people of other cultures from being offended when the things they are preventing shouldn't be offensive in the least to those people.

while this is true I suspect for many poeple, GM comments show it is not true for many others

[mystra]

honestly it doesn't matter why the hell they wore the shirts. this is the US of A and displaying the country's symbol on any day shouldn't be punishable.

[Gamemaster300]

while this is true I suspect for many poeple, GM comments show it is not true for many others

can you include some details?? usually your good at that.
i must say that personally i agree with mystra.

[dakedonani]

unless the students were being blatantly racist, i don't see the problem with wearing an american flag. :/

[mystra]

unless the students were being blatantly racist, i don't see the problem with wearing an american flag. :/

once again there is NOTHING racist about wearing patriotic clothing at any time in your country.
i live in a town where from 6-10am the main streets are lined with mexicans looking for work. my daughter has an "in america" shirt (she's 11) and has a mexican girl in her class whose parents cannot speak a word of english. no one has told her she can't wear the shirt and she's actually gotten compliments on it from various teachers.

[LordZorc]

Wow... I just read the article... Just... Wow...

[Kochiha]

Didn't we address this problem back in the 1960s with the whole black armband issue? And how that was perfectly legal?

[LordZorc]

Didn't we address this problem back in the 1960s with the whole black armband issue? And how that was perfectly legal?

I know, right?!

[Ishikawa Oshro]

Theres obviously more to this story than just this article.
You can obviously see by the artcle that this writer is showing emotion therefore he was most inclined to take a major side.

I do agree with the administrators though. To wear the american flag on only one day of the school year and that being cinco de mayo is disrespectfull. Yes this is america. We have the right tow wear our flag. But why would you go and pick mexico's national holiday. So what if they dont really celebrate it does that take away to the few who do???

The kids were immature and that is all there is to it. They've learned a lesson and hopefully others will to. Trying to be a smart ass gets you no where.

[Spoofs3]

The kids were immature and that is all there is to it. They've learned a lesson and hopefully others will to. Trying to be a smart ass gets you no where.

No, They weren't being immature, They were wearing the flag of the country they are in. Hell, it doesn't matter what day it is at all.
I mean, In any other nation, other country's holidays wouldn't even be celebrated.
So what if it is a day for Mexico? What is your solution? Force those who do not have any emotional nor cultural ties to celebrate it? To worship it?
We cannot forget that Mexicans in US-America are a minority, although Minorities should be respected you cannot force the majority to clebrate certain days to keep a minority happy. Both communities could have celebrated their culture on the day without conflict and if the schools authority didn't bring attention to the clothes, I very much doubt anybody would have noticed.
This article very much reminds me of the time when the Irish government banned the showing of Mangers (Those christmas things Jesus was supposivly born in) in Hospitals around Christmas because the Muslim community complained (Ireland is over 90% Catholic)

Also, Just to say, That is not them being assholes, Being an asshole is like me wearing orange and parading around town on St. Patricks Day 8D

[Gamemaster300]

As i said before, the U.S. schools can ban certain thing if they are distracting to the learning procese (WTF i can't spell that word). This would include patriotic clothing if it is destracting to others. However, the only way i can see an american flag being a potential disruption causing thing, would be if someone hated it, or if it was against there values. I just have one thing to say to those people........you live in this country, so either deal with the flag or get out. Just because its your holiday doesn't mean the whole world stops for you, no one it stopping you from celibraiting, so, go on celibraite, but others can choose not to if they wish.

Oh, yea, the arm band thing, that was leagal, so, you want to ban the flag???

(on a side note, i just heard that, ummm, cinco de myo (i think thats it)was heavily publicised by a certain beer company, and isn't even celibraited in mexico, just heard that, some one, please tell me if its true)

[Ishikawa Oshro]

No, They weren't being immature, They were wearing the flag of the country they are in. Hell, it doesn't matter what day it is at all.
I mean, In any other nation, other country's holidays wouldn't even be celebrated.
So what if it is a day for Mexico? What is your solution? Force those who do not have any emotional nor cultural ties to celebrate it? To worship it?
We cannot forget that Mexicans in US-America are a minority, although Minorities should be respected you cannot force the majority to clebrate certain days to keep a minority happy. Both communities could have celebrated their culture on the day without conflict and if the schools authority didn't bring attention to the clothes, I very much doubt anybody would have noticed.

No its called being respectfull. Something a lot of americans dont have (myself included among the vast majority) Its called use your head.

It's a school environment. These kids have all of a sudden choosen this day to wear the BIGGEST american flags possible on their shirts. Was it to be noticed? Was it to be funny? Was it genuine appreciation for the flag? We won't know and i'm quite sure the children wont tell. The pont being is that they were in a "school" environment. Just incase you missed that earlier. School has a job to do and a profile to maintain. It is not the place to pull childish pranks.

The key to the story is they decided to do this in school on cinco de mayo.
I could care less what your american ideals are. The majority of readers will be biased because the students were punished for wearing the american flag on cinco de mayo.

This is almost as despicable as whites being enraged at Obama for being elected president saying the house is for whites only >.>

America may have a flag of its own but it bears the flags of other nations. And as such we should respect those nations.

[Gamemaster300]

being racist when it comes to the president is inexcusable.

lets say for a second that school went through the summer, it is the forth of july, a bunch of mexicans where there flag on there shirt. Would you even care???? I for one wouldn't, they can where whatever the hell they want on whatever day they want.

[Spoofs3]

I am sorry, But I must disagree once again.
For one, You claim they chose to wear the "BIGGEST" US-American flags as possible. If you would take a look at the image provided, Only one can be said to be the BIGGEST flag as possible. Two are T-Shirts showing support for bands which just so happen to use the US-American flag on them. One is a tiny US-American flag saying "Oh Navy" Above.
Although I must agree, The one on the Far right is wearing the largest flag as possible on his shirt.
Also I would imagine the two centre ones would wear those shirts proclaiming their love of bands quite alot.
You also claim they chose "This day" as if they do not wear it on any other days, I'd imagine they do wear it on other days, They just wore it on this one aswell ¬_¬

Also, It is NOT almost as dispicable as whites saying the White house is for Whites only, That is pure racism.
Wearing a shirt with a flag on it on a day is not. I mean, it's not like the flag is associated with Racism towards Mexicans.

US-America has a flag of its own and it may bare the flags of other nations, and it SHOULD respect those nations, But respect is different to domination.
You cannot forget your own culture because other cultures have a day, taking in that logic you can forget almost all of US-American culture because there are alot of immigrants from other societies, If you are to place so much respect on every holiday, then the US flag should never be shown as you must show respect for immigrants on every nation who ever came to US-America on their holidays.

Yes, School MAY have a job to do and a profile to maintain, but the school does not have uniform and probably does have a dress code - which also probably does not say "US flags are prohibited".
The point is, Nobody would have said anything. It's a flag. It would be ignored any other day, would be ignored on Cinco De Mayo. Another thing, What happens if they did not hear of this Holiday? I certainly haven't, I also have not heard of other Holidays in other nations, why is this one actually celebrated so much? It's not like it's Mexican Independence day or anything.
Another point, US-America never played any part in the battle that took place on Cinco De Mayo so why would the flag be disrespectful? If they TRULY wanted to be pricks, They'd wear a French Flag.
Or maybe a Spanish Flag on Mexican Independence day... Not like anybody would care in US-America, They probably don't even know that it was Mexican Independence day...

[MrsSallyBakura]

This is almost as despicable as whites being enraged at Obama for being elected president saying the house is for whites only >.>

First of all, I've never heard of any white people say that only white men can be president.

Secondly, the situation is nothing like it. The students were wearing shirts with American flags, not shirts demeaning or bashing Mexicans. There's a huge difference.

To say that this situation is like the Obama situation is like saying, "Wearing a John McCain t-shirt is racist because you'd want a white man to be president instead of a black man."

[Spoofs3]

First of all, I've never heard of any white people say that only white men can be president.

Secondly, the situation is nothing like it. The students were wearing shirts with American flags, not shirts demeaning or bashing Mexicans. There's a huge difference.

To say that this situation is like the Obama situation is like saying, "Wearing a John McCain t-shirt is racist because you'd want a white man to be president instead of a black man."

Although I have had people call me racist because I supported McCain (Originally Hillary) to win the Presidancy =S

[MrsSallyBakura]

Although I have had people call me racist because I supported McCain (Originally Hillary) to win the Presidancy =S

You would be accused wrongly, my friend. I didn't support Obama either but I like black (and mixed) people just fine. :V

[Ishikawa Oshro]

I am sorry, But I must disagree once again.
For one, You claim they chose to wear the "BIGGEST" US-American flags as possible. If you would take a look at the image provided, Only one can be said to be the BIGGEST flag as possible. Two are T-Shirts showing support for bands which just so happen to use the US-American flag on them. One is a tiny US-American flag saying "Oh Navy" Above.
Although I must agree, The one on the Far right is wearing the largest flag as possible on his shirt.
Also I would imagine the two centre ones would wear those shirts proclaiming their love of bands quite alot.
You also claim they chose "This day" as if they do not wear it on any other days, I'd imagine they do wear it on other days, They just wore it on this one aswell ¬_¬

Also, It is NOT almost as dispicable as whites saying the White house is for Whites only, That is pure racism.
Wearing a shirt with a flag on it on a day is not. I mean, it's not like the flag is associated with Racism towards Mexicans.

US-America has a flag of its own and it may bare the flags of other nations, and it SHOULD respect those nations, But respect is different to domination.
You cannot forget your own culture because other cultures have a day, taking in that logic you can forget almost all of US-American culture because there are alot of immigrants from other societies, If you are to place so much respect on every holiday, then the US flag should never be shown as you must show respect for immigrants on every nation who ever came to US-America on their holidays.

Yes, School MAY have a job to do and a profile to maintain, but the school does not have uniform and probably does have a dress code - which also probably does not say "US flags are prohibited".
The point is, Nobody would have said anything. It's a flag. It would be ignored any other day, would be ignored on Cinco De Mayo. Another thing, What happens if they did not hear of this Holiday? I certainly haven't, I also have not heard of other Holidays in other nations, why is this one actually celebrated so much? It's not like it's Mexican Independence day or anything.
Another point, US-America never played any part in the battle that took place on Cinco De Mayo so why would the flag be disrespectful? If they TRULY wanted to be pricks, They'd wear a French Flag.
Or maybe a Spanish Flag on Mexican Independence day... Not like anybody would care in US-America, They probably don't even know that it was Mexican Independence day...



If I wore a shirt with a marijuana plant on it (as funny as this is) many students dont know what a marijuana plant looks like. Does this mean because of their ignoarance it is okay for me to wear the shirt to school?


And saying they diddent know it was the 4th of july is a moot point. They state they wanted to show their patrism on cinco de mayo not forgetting their own nation. They clearly knew what day it was.
This is teenagers were speaking about.
In order to understand the reasoning for all this you have to put yourself in the administrators position.

Best to stop a problem before one starts.

[mystra]

wow i'm really surprised there are people that are condemning these kid's behavior. again i will state it does NOT matter what day it is when they were their pride for their country. i applaud these kids far more for wearing the shirt on the 5th of May simply because Mexico barely even gives a shit about the day (Mexican nationals have been quoted as stating the day is very much more celebrated in American society by Americans than it is by Mexicans in Mexican society). it's not a big holiday for the Mexican nation in the first place and in the second it's only big in America because those who manufacture beer IN AMERICA have broadly publicized it. like a few people said: if the kids REALLY wanted to be disrespectful they would've worn French colours or flags. it's like Kwanzaa; ask most black people and they'll tell you it's a made up holiday (wasn't actually created till the 60's or 70's). while the 5th of May isn't made up it is still not a popular Mexican holiday and as far as i've read through the years it's only celebrated in the original province where the war was won in Mexico not the entire country.

[Fat1Fared]

=Sally quite few poeple have said it, in fact our media had lot of fun with your election and media, but that was more for the english nations amusement than anything meaningful, I suspect it will be minority (or you pray it is 0_o)
-However word of advise, don't sound so positive discrimination when talk about ethic groups, as it is still discrimination lol

=Now onto the point at hand, ok people seem to be getting angry at Ish here and I think they need to consider several things, like first (though correct me if wrong ish) Ish is black and so probably has strong views on the area of respecting minority views and secondly, consider what he is saying, not what they want him to say.
-Though in this case, I would say I disagree with him, he is making a valid point (or believe this his point) that you should respect other peoples cultures, and it is the intent behind their actions, IE did they wear the shirt and then flash it off to a group of Mexican people in a provocative way or was simply worn, in certain "crimes" the men's rea is far more important than the "actus reus" ((it is rare, but this one of them)

=Now like i said, i think in this case the "School" (as remember, they not the Mexican community made this choice) got it wrong, they still are under duty to protect and respect all their members, not just majority of them and we need to remember we do not know all the facts here, there are so many stupid cases where poeple instantly start screaming at ethic groups and half time they have nothing to do with it.
-The case of women and her England flags, the case of Mis Chaplin and her catholic cross (she was one of worse, because she started a witch hunt about being victim of witch hunt for own gains) and don't think that Ethic committee's get all their own way
-The case of muslin girl who's school refused to allow her to wear Muslin clothing and so determined to defend their policy, they took it all way to house of lords
-The Case of Indian man who council refused to allow to be cremated o_0

=So really these cases go very much 50/50 just people want to moan about it al

=Of course, one problem with Ish's view is that though under duty to protect all cultures, it ends up being positive discrimination and as said to sally that is still discrimination and in my opinion, it is worse kind of discrimination, but then again, I hold the view that if someone has stupid opinion of your culture, it is just that, stupid and so to get offended by that view is equally stupid, this came from being only person in catholic school who had no Irish links what so ever and in my younger years, I heard (mostly from plastic paddies) quite a few strong views about what me and my nation deversed to happen to us, for the actions of our past and use to make me very uncomfortable, to point of being scared, however then I came to realise that these views were stupid and if someone hates me for what a person who I have less than 1% link to did almost 100 years ago, let them, that is stupid and so stupid for me to care, (now of course once goes past words and into action, different set of rules, but if some extremist religious person came and gave talk about how all athirsts should burn in hell, I would ether laugh and pity him or try to debate subject with him, wouldn't get offended, his view ain't worth it and think most poeple need to realise that)

[MrsSallyBakura]

Fared, I know that positive discrimination is bad, but I'm afraid that I don't know how I represented positive discrimination in my post. If you could point that out to me, I would appreciate it.

[AdjacentOrigin]

Originally Posted by MrsSallyBakura
First of all, I've never heard of any white people say that only white men can be president.

These people actually exist. Never underestimate the amount of ignorant people in the world. They exist in the fringe elements of American society and beyond. There has been a resurgence of them lately because of a black man winning the presidency (birthers, teabaggers and whatnot). They're just as crazy as the loonies on the left who think 9/11 was an inside job.

Originally Posted by Spoofs3
Although I have had people call me racist because I supported McCain (Originally Hillary) to win the Presidancy =S
Unfortunately, this happens quite often too. It doesn't make it any less stupid though. Being Canadian, I critiqued Obama as not being an actual progressive based on his voting record during his tenure in the Senate and I was accused of being a socialist!

I do agree with the administrators though. To wear the american flag on only one day of the school year and that being cinco de mayo is disrespectfull. Yes this is america. We have the right tow wear our flag. But why would you go and pick mexico's national holiday. So what if they dont really celebrate it does that take away to the few who do???

I agree on this one. Any citizen of a free country has all the right to wear flags of their country of birth or overseas. The issue here seems that the kids chose a rather inoppurtune time to wear the American flag during a Mexican national holiday. It has the potential to draw out a negative response, whether intentional or not.

[Fat1Fared]

-Sally I love to wind you up at times, ^_- I was messing with you because, well I am douche, but in all seriousness (or not) it came from way you said it, " but I like black (and mixed) people just fine. :V "
=It is something I am afraid probably cannot explain to you, but just one of those things, you sometimes say them and they come in certain way which I find amusing, because you don't mean anything by them, but they just sound slightly south of what you probably meant, but like I said, I really can't explain it, however don't worry, was just a joke

[Ishikawa Oshro]

They're just as crazy as the loonies on the left who think 9/11 was an inside job.

UGHHHHHH lol
The pure horrors of history class and the torture of the "scandal of 911"

[MrsSallyBakura]

-Sally I love to wind you up at times, ^_- I was messing with you because, well I am douche, but in all seriousness (or not) it came from way you said it, " but I like black (and mixed) people just fine. :V "
=It is something I am afraid probably cannot explain to you, but just one of those things, you sometimes say them and they come in certain way which I find amusing, because you don't mean anything by them, but they just sound slightly south of what you probably meant, but like I said, I really can't explain it, however don't worry, was just a joke

Ha ha well your post didn't really affect me on an emotional level so it's no biggie. I did only say that because people unfortunately get the impression that just because I didn't vote for Obama it means I'm racist or stupid or something. *shrug*

[Ishikawa Oshro]

Ha ha well your post didn't really affect me on an emotional level so it's no biggie. I did only say that because people unfortunately get the impression that just because I didn't vote for Obama it means I'm racist or stupid or something. *shrug*

*RACIST CURRRRR!!!!!* lol

[mystra]

These people actually exist. Never underestimate the amount of ignorant people in the world. They exist in the fringe elements of American society and beyond. There has been a resurgence of them lately because of a black man winning the presidency (birthers, teabaggers and whatnot). They're just as crazy as the loonies on the left who think 9/11 was an inside job.


on a side note i happen to be a birther and i have NO problem whatsoever with someone other than a "white" man being a president. the birthers and teabaggers have no problem with this fact. as you stated it is the ignorant who see things this way and the majority of the people who fall into the birther/teabagger realm are not ignorant. your statement is way too broad my friend.

[mystra]

The students are now suing the school district. Go them!
Students Sue District (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_SCHOOL_CLOTHING_FLAP?SITE=VANOV&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT)

[IamMcDoob]

Even though I agree with the students on their rights being violated, I'm appalled at this. Any amount of money they demand is too much.

[mystra]

i don't believe they should get any money honestly. i'm just happy at the fact that they are suing. personally i'd sue for no money just to win the case.

[darkarcher]

Any compensation should be court fees and an official apology.

[Fat1Fared]

In England we have something called the pound rule, where if people take forward a tort case where clearly no true lost beyond an intrinsic pride, they will only be awarded 1 Pound, but will get an official apology as well, (costs are awarded on case by case basis, IE sometimes will be given, ones like this probably not, because will have other ways besides court where could got their "moral victory" (as their known)

-Personally, I think if they get any money even costs, is a poor judgment because schools need every penny they can get and though even I think "probably" made poor call here, I also think it was not a world changing thing, however taking away from others educations is, so just a sorry and acceptance of mistake, try to do better next time, would be better