[HolyShadow]

Originally Posted by Fat1Fared

OK, while I know I am going to regret this; Holy, Kronus is right, communism has never been tested - the closest we have ever seen is socialism, which is vastly different.

I'm not arguing that there is successful capitalism or that failed capitalism is better than successful communism. I'm saying that the problems that cause true communists to label historical attempts as failures are simply side-effects due to a miscalculation in how communism works practically, rather than necessarily something that can be fixed by trying it a few more times.

I decided to apply the same argument that communists use to capitalism. Why can't capitalism work right? Obviously people haven't tried to do it right. But what is true capitalism? If it's total free market capitalism then it's naturally going to allow for things like monopolies, which are bad on nearly every level. So then true capitalism is a bad thing. But what about true communism? Is that a good thing? Yes, better than true capitalism. But what about failed communism, that ends up being perverted and manifests as an authoritarian dictatorship under the facade of a democracy? That's worse than even failed capitalism. But what about capitalism that has its problems solved but keeps general free market practices? Ultimately that's labeled as socialist. A small amount of socialism is good medicine in a free market system. But going totally communist, I believe, will always ultimately result in the same authoritarian result, just like going totally capitalist will always ultimate result in things like monopolies and political strongarming by giant corporations as a result.

Also, there are many examples in capitalist organisations of socialist and communist ideals actually strengthening the workforce's work-ethic, not weakening it, as your Government would like to brainwash you to believe.

Yes, but are those corporations communist in and of themselves? No. They have socialist practices which improve the free market system like I've said.

Many companies now will base their bonus schemes on the performance of the organisation as a whole, rather than individuals performances - this shown be shown to strengthen teamwork and give people a sense of responsibility towards their co-workers thereby strengthening the organisation as a whole.

See above statement.

However, Capitalism is really rather wasteful - in terms of resources, work allocation and distribution - and is the reason that currently we have more obeast people in the world than staving people.

I'd rather be fat and die early than starve and die much earlier.