Is Hentai moral?

[Ostinato]

Originally Posted by Face

For example, 'Is hentai moral?' would be an appropriate question.

It's an appropriate question!

[Dalord]

good question. but I consider that hentai is a form of art. the ladies that famous artist's paint in Europe were common whores, ergo Art. (Excluding: Guro because it's just wrong)

but then again there is no right or wrong. and that's why they have over 18+ rating on them.

[killshot]

Surely this isn't a serious question.

but I consider that hentai is a form of art.

Really?

(Excluding: Guro because it's just wrong)

So toddlercon is still cool?

[Cor_Limey]

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[Anreyla]

Originally Posted by Dalord

good question. but I consider that hentai is a form of art. the ladies that famous artist's paint in Europe were common whores, ergo Art. (Excluding: Guro because it's just wrong)

but then again there is no right or wrong. and that's why they have over 18+ rating on them.

You say guro is wrong and then you say there is no right and wrong? Then your opinion is that guro is wrong, am I right in assuming that? Would you care to elaborate on why you think it's so bad? (Especially if it's just drawn) I'm just curious, I don't see the problem with it, but...

Personally, I have a "who gives a flying crap" attitude about it, it's not hurting anyone, so what's the problem? I also, and I'm sure I'll get some heat for this, don't see why drawing child pornography (as in cartoons, anime, or even realistically if not based off an actual model) is so wrong. Sure, real child pornography is wrong, a child cannot consent to something like that and it's not healthy, physically or mentally, but what's bad about drawing it? It's not hurting anyone.

[AllisonWalker]

Well, it's distasteful to depict minors for sexual objectification.
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Yeah, you're not hurting anyone, but I feel like it's just a soft gate way drug to the harder stuff. What happens when mere illustrations aren't enough?

[Anreyla]

Originally Posted by AllisonWalker

Well, it's distasteful to depict minors for sexual objectification.
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Yeah, you're not hurting anyone, but I feel like it's just a soft gate way drug to the harder stuff. What happens when mere illustrations aren't enough?

Yeah, but that could be said for just about anything, if people aren't responsible enough not to let that sort of thing escalate maybe they shouldn't be doing any of it to begin with, just like with drugs and alcohol and other nonsense of the sort. I never really bought into the 'slippery slope' argument.

[ClumsyCake]

Originally Posted by Anreyla

and I'm sure I'll get some heat for this, don't see why drawing child pornography (as in cartoons, anime, or even realistically if not based off an actual model) is so wrong. Sure, real child pornography is wrong, a child cannot consent to something like that and it's not healthy, physically or mentally, but what's bad about drawing it? It's not hurting anyone.

Well, whatever floats your boat as i say. But i don't see the point in it, and i would like to have my say on this, as i do find it sick and deranged to draw children in pornographic actively. I rather see sweet drawings than sexual ones of children...

Hentai can have some gruesome stuff in it, plus the fact that if your jacking it to a cartoon then you need to get laid, or at least watch real porn...

[Anreyla]

Originally Posted by ClumsyCake

Well, whatever floats your boat as i say. But i don't see the point in it, and i would like to have my say on this, as i do find it sick and deranged to draw children in pornographic actively. I rather see sweet drawings than sexual ones of children...

Hentai can have some gruesome stuff in it, plus the fact that if your jacking it to a cartoon then you need to get laid, or at least watch real porn...

Well, I don't care for it either, it doesn't interest me to see young children having sex, but it's just a drawing, even if you find it sick and demented, if someone likes it, then that's just fine. So long as they don't actually go and start fiddling kiddies, then it's not an issue, even if it is 'weird' to jack off to cartoons. (Can't find real, legal porn of child pornography, so it's a better alternative)

[Turtlicious]

Finally can a serious discussion that plays to my interests!

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Ink makes great lube

[Dalord]

Originally Posted by killshot

Surely this isn't a serious question.



Really?



So toddlercon is still cool?

buddy don't push it!

[Turtlicious]

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I think all hentai is good

furry scat bondage guro lolicon toddlercon...

It stops you from thinking and allows self gratification when you get desensitized you can move onto something else weird...

It's a good thing

But seriously?

Ink is a great lube

[Anreyla]

Originally Posted by Dalord

buddy don't push it!

What? Maybe he legitimately wants to know? I'm quite legitimately curious as to why guro is wrong.

And for once I have to agree with Turtlicious... I see nothing wrong with any of it, so long as the person isn't shoving it down others throats.

[Dalord]

Originally Posted by Anreyla

You say guro is wrong and then you say there is no right and wrong? Then your opinion is that guro is wrong, am I right in assuming that? Would you care to elaborate on why you think it's so bad? (Especially if it's just drawn) I'm just curious, I don't see the problem with it, but...

look I said the Moral of hentai is neither good or bad. Guro it's just wrong.

On the side note. I did not feel like saying every other one that is wrong or right.

For example. in Canada Hentai is Illegal.

[Dalord]

Originally Posted by Anreyla

What? Maybe he legitimately wants to know? I'm quite legitimately curious as to why guro is wrong.

And for once I have to agree with Turtlicious... I see nothing wrong with any of it, so long as the person isn't shoving it down others throats.

for example a reason why it's illegal in Canada, because most Hentai revolves around RAPE!

I find that Guro is all about slowly killing people and then raping the cut up body.
also I do not Like Toddlercon, it also freaks the **** out of me.

[Turtlicious]

Originally Posted by Anreyla

What? Maybe he legitimately wants to know? I'm quite legitimately curious as to why guro is wrong.

And for once I have to agree with Turtlicious... I see nothing wrong with any of it, so long as the person isn't shoving it down others throats.

You think ink is a great lube as well!?

Just kidding I'm here just to make sure things don't get to heated!

[Anreyla]

Originally Posted by Dalord

for example a reason why it's illegal in Canada, because most Hentai revolves around RAPE!

I find that Guro is all about slowly killing people and then raping the cut up body.
also I do not Like Toddlercon, it also freaks the **** out of me.

That's.. quite stupid in my opinion. So what if it involves rape, it's a cartoon, if you don't want to watch it, you don't have to. (I did look into the laws for that, quick google search, apparently specific titles, usually ones with lolicon, are banned, but it's not banned overall)

And again, so what? You don't have to watch it, it's not like it's hurting anyone. I happen to like guro, not as anything sexually gratifying, I just find it interesting, and it's very fun to read. It's not like I'm going to start killing people and screwing their corpses because of it.

I don't really have an opinion on toddlercon, I don't personally like it, but if someone else does, hey, better they look at images of it than actually go out and do it.

You think ink is a great lube as well!?

Just kidding I'm here just to make sure things don't get to heated!

Sure, let's go with that?

[Turtlicious]

And to be honest Lolicon and hentai look almost nothing like real people...

I think that is part of the appeal it is a fantasy gauranteed to stay a fantasy there is no worry about people being hurt no problem morally you canright of all your sick fetishes by saying at least it isn't real.

I know from experience

[Anreyla]

Originally Posted by Turtlicious

And to be honest Lolicon and hentai look almost nothing like real people...

I think that is part of the appeal it is a fantasy gauranteed to stay a fantasy there is no worry about people being hurt no problem morally you canright of all your sick fetishes by saying at least it isn't real.

I know from experience

Yeah, and there's some stuff that people get turned on by that can't really happen IRL.. Like doll-joints/futa/tentacle rape/vore/etc. There's nothing wrong with it, so long as they're not making you watch it, it's not an issue.

[Turtlicious]

Originally Posted by Anreyla

Yeah, and there's some stuff that people get turned on by that can't really happen IRL.. Like doll-joints/futa/tentacle rape/vore/etc. There's nothing wrong with it, so long as they're not making you watch it, it's not an issue.

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Yeah...

Not forcing people to watch it...
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YEAH!

[Dalord]

Originally Posted by Anreyla

Yeah, and there's some stuff that people get turned on by that can't really happen IRL.. Like doll-joints/futa/tentacle rape/vore/etc. There's nothing wrong with it, so long as they're not making you watch it, it's not an issue.

hmmm. I disagree they have full sized Doll-joint dolls. they are called the dutch wife. futa, well they are girls out there with enlarge Clitoris. tentacle rape, you can train animals to almost do anything. well why can't you train an Octopus.

[ChaosVincent1]

The main conditions for me to approve:

Not rape! (Brainwashing them into willingness is all right by me)
sexually active characters must be over 18! (Children may be in the clean scenes that have all the plot development, but keep them out of the dirty scenes. More applicable to H-Games, which are sometimes dating sims, where you may have to ask the love interest's younger sibling about few likes/dislikes to help you win the love interest over.)
Completely human characters! (Furries creep me out.)
No Guro! EVER! (It is creepy and you would have to be seriously deranged to enjoy the killing scenes anyway.)

[Turtlicious]

Originally Posted by Dalord

hmmm. I disagree they have full sized Doll-joint dolls. they are called the dutch wife. futa, well they are girls out there with enlarge Clitoris. tentacle rape, you can train animals to almost do anything. well why can't you train an Octopus.

Are you really trying to say that fucking an octopus is a better alternative?
cuz if you are we have so much more in common than I thought initially...

[Dalord]

Originally Posted by Turtlicious

Are you really trying to say that fucking an octopus is a better alternative?
cuz if you are we have so much more in common than I thought initially...

that last one was more of joke.

[Turtlicious]

oh...

[Anreyla]

Originally Posted by Dalord

hmmm. I disagree they have full sized Doll-joint dolls. they are called the dutch wife. futa, well they are girls out there with enlarge Clitoris. tentacle rape, you can train animals to almost do anything. well why can't you train an Octopus.

Yes, but they're actually animate, sentient 'people' in the anime/manga stuff, a chick with an enlarged clit doesn't really come close to a chick with a dick, and.. an octopus? I don't understand, IRL animal abuse is better than fake guro? (Ooh, joke?~ Well, the point still stands) I suppose you could sort of kind of try vore IRL but it'd be physically impossible to consume the entire person in the way it's shown in drawings and whatnot.

Not rape! (Brainwashing them into willingness is all right by me)
sexually active characters must be over 18! (Children may be in the clean scenes that have all the plot development, but keep them out of the dirty scenes. More applicable to H-Games, which are sometimes dating sims, where you may have to ask the love interest's younger sibling about few likes/dislikes to help you win the love interest over.)
Completely human characters! (Furries creep me out.)
No Guro! EVER! (It is creepy and you would have to be seriously deranged to enjoy the killing scenes anyway.)

Well if they're 'brainwashed' and wouldn't have considered it beforehand, that seems kind of rapeworthy to me. It's the same as how if you have sex with a woman while she's drunk, it's considered rape because a woman cannot consent while drunk.
Okay, I'll give you that, some people (including myself) aren't really interested in child pr0nz, though there are some people who are, and there's games for them, too.
When you said completely human the first thing I thought was "TENTACLE RAPE!"
I love guro~. And apparently I'm deranged. Honestly, at the end of the day, it's a cartoon. If I saw something out of guro IRL, I'd probably flip out, but it's just a cartoon, and I do enjoy it.~

[Turtlicious]

I think I just found someone I can relate to...

[ClumsyCake]

Well Hentai is okay for Art, but it can get some really sick and deranged with stuff in it. You think they will keep it in cartoons with rape, octopus, monster, and whatever the hell there is? No...most of it is being made into real porn. But this is only for japanese.
That's why i say i really don't like child cartoon porn, they might start wanting more and make that a reality, that would be very sick.

[Turtlicious]

Originally Posted by ClumsyCake

Well Hentai is okay for Art, but it can get some really sick and deranged with stuff in it. You think they will keep it in cartoons with rape, octopus, monster, and whatever the hell there is? No...most of it is being made into real porn. But this is only for japanese.
That's why i say i really don't like child cartoon porn, they might start wanting more and make that a reality, that would be very sick.

That is reaaaaaaaally flawed logic...

There was a Fake "reality" show where people were kidnapped and forced to kill each other

does that mean one day we're gonna kidnap people and make them fight for our lives?

Are we gonna capture weird creatures and make them fight to the death for a 10 y/o whim no?

Then why Is this any different You gotta take away the stigma that porn brings along with it and look at it from a purely objective point of view

[Anreyla]

Originally Posted by ClumsyCake

Well Hentai is okay for Art, but it can get some really sick and deranged with stuff in it. You think they will keep it in cartoons with rape, octopus, monster, and whatever the hell there is? No...most of it is being made into real porn. But this is only for japanese.
That's why i say i really don't like child cartoon porn, they might start wanting more and make that a reality, that would be very sick.

It's called niche porn, and it doesn't just exist in Japan, though it's most prominent there. The fact is, people who are going to do that stuff are going to do it regardless of whether they do the 'cartoon' stuff first. That's why I think the 'gateway' argument is stupid, if someone likes fiddling little kiddies and has no control over it whatsoever, they're going to reach the REAL child porn, regardless of whether or not the cartoon child porn acts as a catalyst.