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Lewis Carrol wasn't on drugs when he wrote it
he was just weird, and loved to tell stories
this one was born out of a story he told to a few girls he knew
Through the Looking Glass was born out of something a girl told him
(he had a weird obsession with little girls, though historical records say he didn't do anything to them, for some reason he liked to befriend them)
Ok, I stand down here, as there is no evidence to say he was actually on drugs when he wrote it and he was such a brilliant man it could be that he was actually just beyond normal compensaprhenion, plus my wording was poorly used there as my point was to state that Alice herself was not a druggie (which is common belief) and didn't leave our world par-say, but she didn't stay within the bounds of reality, I always felt she was a way of showing how disconnected children are from their parents and the poeple around them, though probably wrong

however he was like many poeple at this time a user of opium (spelt right this time time yay lol) and so it would not be beyond the realms of possibility to believe he wrote it while under influence of opium, I mean most of that ages great writers were intoxicated 90% of time and why it was such a great age for literature, William Blake was one of greatest peotic's and writers ever (if little religious for my tastes, at least he hated religion lol) and he was also an abusers

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it was proscribed by doctors
a lot of the good drugs we take today fuck with our heads too
I think Alice is just a very imaginative child
I can relate, I don't do drugs and have felt like I've gone to other places in my mind and around me
imagination/meditation
people are very imaginative if left to their own devices
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Congratulations, Tim Burton... you've succeeded in obliterating another classic story. Will you be applying the same kind of techniques to your other films?

"oh yes, I have The Wizard of Oz up next for the slaughterhouse"

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Yeah, slaughter house of classical fiction. :(
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the 1985 made for TV movies were better than this thing Burton forced us to endure.
The only good movie he ever did, IMO was The Nightmare Before Christmas.
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I liked the 1990's Alice in Wonderland.
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I liked the 1990's Alice in Wonderland.
cartoon or live action?
the 1985 version was live action
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Live action one.
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don't remember an Alice in Wonderland live action movie from 1990.

TV series, on disney channel?
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No, it was a made for TV.
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do not remember it whatsoever.
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It was made by Disney though.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_i...and_(1999_film)
^this one.

I thought it was ok, but still kind of meh.
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It's what I saw as a kid. :3
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oh that's right, I stopped being a kid when you were just getting started,
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Pfft.
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I thought it was a piece of crap, with the vorpal sword looking like a Carrefour plastic sword, main character being disappointing, Johnny Depp playing a much less crazy person than Jack Sparrow, and the only fun character being the Cheshire Cat, really. The final fight sucked, the visual effects were OK but didn't really get too much into my mind.

When it comes to this new boom of 3D films, Avatar was soooo much better. Burton's best film will still remain this one.
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Red face It's a movie and a book and...and...WHAT?!

Didn't like the children's books.

Never like the animated movie.

And now we have this.

I have to say, watching this was like being introduced to the new colors of Crayola's radioactive crayon set. The make up and consume are vibrant and hilarious.

There are also an obvious attempt to make a boring story interesting. Yeah...didn't work. But wait! My friend tells me it's supposed to be...creepy?

How is a drug-induced story supposed to be CREEPY? It should have been funny and AWESOME. But Lewis Carroll failed at that part in the story, and now we have Disney and Mr. Burton failing at that in this movie.

I felt like I was watching a movie about clown school, there was so much face paint and wacky-creative costumes. Is it strange I want Alice's dress? Hmph. And like the Mad Hatter's look isn't an obvious rip-off from the Joker.

And I saw this movie for free, people, though a club. I want my time back.

So what does this movie have going for it?

Well...if you're a tween that shops at Hot Topic and reads Twilight and has a crush on Jack Skellington--ask your mom to drive you and your friends to see this movie. It's leik full of lawls.

If not...it'd probably be way more educational if you just smoked a joint if you haven't done so already. Then you can compare how much better of a story you can come up with than Carroll ever did.

If you want to see it anyways...hm. Don't forget your cell phone so you can text during the showing when it gets boring. I mean, throughout the entire time.

If you're a parent...well, yeah, it's rated PG. But if you taking children to see it, then I'll guarantee you they might be afraid at some of the odder looking beings. Not to mention most of the plot (huh, what?) will fly right over their heads.
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the books never were supposed to be scary
and since it was written in the mid 1800s, our modern drugs were not a part of its making
it was more a kids story, mind you kids back then were smarter then ours are
and now its for both adults and kids (not that kids, and even most adults can get it)
the movie is one big repeat like all Tim Burtons movies
tying to get the fan base Nightmare Before Christmas had
and he's been trying to do that for 20 years
same actors, same crap
same stupid ideas
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I don't care what people or critics say - I thought it was fantastic.
The most enjoyable film I've seen in a while.
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it was proscribed by doctors
a lot of the good drugs we take today fuck with our heads too
I think Alice is just a very imaginative child
I can relate, I don't do drugs and have felt like I've gone to other places in my mind and around me
imagination/meditation
people are very imaginative if left to their own devices
I agree Alice was not meant to be seen as a druggy, it just is not beyond the realm of belief, he did do them, a lot of people did and writers of the time especially so, I admit I was wrong to state it so factually the first time, as it is a unbacked belief, but I think it is not a crazy one (though that is a last sane man alive comment, lol)

As for Burton himself, well I am not his biggest fan by any means, but I do believe he has done some very deep and clever films, however he better at making his own teen-adult fantasies than he is at remaking others, because he likes to be his own man and those who see remakes normally like to see the original, so will always compare the two and will invariability like the first one more <shrugs>

PS Ohera is there anything you do not enjoy? (PS and don't say you see things we don't as that is about as bad as my own last sane man alive comment lol)
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Yeah, he should stick to adult films. I liked Sweeney Todd(when people weren't dying).
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but...that was the whole point of that movie
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The blood was too much. He over-did that part.
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it was supposed to be like that, because the play was like that
it was over dramatic, thats what made the play and thats kinda how it was supposed to be
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No, the musical wasn't that bloody. The musical and the movie aren't anything alike.
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hm guess the one I saw was...oh well
its a movie, course they're gonna over dramatise it
movies do that
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PS Ohera is there anything you do not enjoy? (PS and don't say you see things we don't as that is about as bad as my own last sane man alive comment lol)
There's plenty of movies that I don't like at all, trust me - I might be more lenient than most, though. I prefer just watching movies for what they are and enjoying them as much as I can without bias, prior assumptions or generalizations based on genre or plot, etc. I know perfectly well how to be critical, and saying that I love a movie doesn't at all mean that I think it's in any way devoid of its flaws, but I just don't really see how being overly critical of anything can end up leading to enjoyment.
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I loved it. I would see it again
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Alice in Wonderland...
I Can't Wait to see it along with The Lightining Thief :3
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