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#38
07-25-2008
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it return to the hand of a true gryfindor through the hat returns being the key word
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#39
07-25-2008
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that and harry didnt have the corage to do any of the three what are they call BIG CURSES or soming i forgot
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#40
07-25-2008
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the movies are shit totaly shit. nearly all movies to book are shit they change the plot so much wit the (exception of the film matilda which follow the book quiet nicely in my opion)
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#41
07-25-2008
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does any one watch mock the week 'unlikly line to hear in the next harry potter book'
harry said some shit herminony said soming who gives a shit im loaded I can actauly hear screw the rule i gave money over the top when he said that
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#42
07-30-2008
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This is going to make me very unpopular... My views on the Harry Potter series are:
-that it is horribly overrated and.... - Its boring. Before countless Rowling supporters attempt to tear me apart, let me back my statements up. Firstly, the writing isnt very good. Not to be arrogant, but Im an aspiring writer myself and it wasnt all that much better than things I'd written. I have had my family confirm that, so it isnt just my own hubris that influenced me to say that. the writing for the most part is simplistic and shallow, compared to other succesful writers. Secondly, I found that after book 4, they all became too long and stretched out, much like the Naruto anime. There was too much filler; Do I honestly care who won the quidditch game? Do I really need an entire page dedicated to what Harry ate for breakfast? The answer, in my opinion, is no. Why write 10 pages when 2-3 would suffice? Now to be fair, the first three books found to be quite good; they werent too long, and the characters were still likeable, which brings me to my next point. Two of the main characters become irratating and unlikeable. In case you dont know who I am referring to, I speak about Harry and Ron. Ron doesnt become a git until the last book, but I already disliked Harry by book five. His character changed dramatically, and although it is necessary to have character developement to keep the characters realistic, I just didnt like the way Harry turned out. He became, forgive me, a hotheaded prick who couldnt keep his trap shut for five seconds even if his life depended on it. Now to Ron. Ron, for the duration of most of the series, had been my favorite character, if only because I hated Harry. But by book 7, he was displaying signs of becoming a whiney dickhead, just like Harry. These are several reasons why I dislike Harry Potter. These are my opinions, so everyone can think what they will about the famous boy-wizard! <img src='/images/emoticons/smiley7.png'>
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#43
08-03-2008
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Parents Dead, Community reckons your a liar, friends bitching behind your back, only father figure dieing (his fault)
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#44
08-04-2008
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No, I understand why he became like that, and I think I would have done something similar. No, what really bothers me about the whole thing is that it wasnt very pleasant to read. I just didnt like reading about how Harry kept bitching at his friends for something incredibly minor. I know he had his share of hardships (more than most people's for sure) but I really did not like him as a character. Just my opinion.
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#45
08-05-2008
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Harry did the Cruciatus Curse on Bellatrix in the fifth book, so he did do an Unforgiveable Curse!
I also agree that the films are rubbish. I watched the first three, first: disappointing. Second: marginally less disappointing. Third: the worst two and a half hours I ever wasted. So I boycotted them from then on. However, I also think the Matilda movie was weird and disappointing. I didn't like the way it was all slapstick comedy at the end. The only book-to-movies I liked were Lord of the Rings. I'm impressed at how amicable this thread is keeping, despite the contentious subject matter! I could sympathise with Harry, he was going through a lot, and I have a short temper myself. I never liked Ron that much! What I didn't like was, as someone mentioned up there, the lack of Hogwarts. I loved the whole atmosphere of Hogwarts, and I missed people like McGonagall. the other thing I stronly objected to was the afterlife conversation with Dumbledore. Because either it was all in Harry's head, and no matter whether what was said was true or not, it was just Harry's subconscious trying to make him feel better. Or it was real, and I think that's pushing it too far, it's breaking too many rules, just to give Dumbledore a chance to explain himself. He could have left a letter or something! Or Dumbledore's portrait could have explained. But, actually, I never found the portraits creepy until Harry saw Dumbledore's and I realised properly they were all dead. Imagine your lover or your parent or someone died and you had this weird echo of them that could talk and move and look at you..... Creepy!
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#46
08-06-2008
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I must admit I really liked these books until about grade six. Then I was able to see them for what they really were; An overrated childrens series which gradually degraded into a crappy overrated childrens series. But seriously, by the end it wasnt even focused for children anymore! It was for teenagers. So I guess its a crappy overrated teen-series...
Also I must say, the whole thing about Dumbledore being gay... that creeped me out. Not that I have anything against gay people, but the idea of an old man inviting an 11 year old boy up to his office... I think that speaks for itself.
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08-06-2008
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Wow... your response leads me to believe that you are either really innocent, dont know whats going on, or dont believe that a homosexual man bringing male children up into his office is innapropriate. I dont know what to believe <img src='/images/emoticons/smiley5.png'>
Now, I'm not saying that Dumbledore had bad intentions, its just the idea of the situation. Anyways, its just my opinion.
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#49
08-07-2008
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Elbarto, he didn't just bring male students into his office. Remember Marietta, in the Order of the Pheonix? And Hermionie has been in there plenty of times as well.
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#50
08-07-2008
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Okay, so, how was Dumbledore supposed to manage the school? Write everyone notes? Believe it or not, kids and young people end up alone with homosexual men, heterosexual men, homosexual women and heterosexual women all the time, and in the vast majority of cases, everything is completely above board. Otherwise, schools, hospitals, orphanages, creches, babysitting, juvenile detention centres, counselling services, etc, would all be in rather serious trouble.
And also, I agree with most of what wokwok said.
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#51
08-07-2008
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Wokwok, first I want to thank you for posting that. Its always nice to have someone challenge the way you see things <img src='/images/emoticons/smiley2.png'>
However, I still hold to my former thoughts and opinions. Now I would like to explain my thinking in more detail. Firstly, You're right; there will always be someone better. Now, I liked what I'd written more than what Rowling put down, but I may like my writing style in general better than hers. You're right about another thing too; of course my parents softened the blow. They wouldnt say something like 'This is pretty good, but you will never be published' I have however, asked a number of other people to rate my writing, and they have said it was very good. Im still a minor, and likely my skill will keep improving. As for my skill being better than Rowlings, thats for the reader to decide. I was my own reader, and I liked my writing better. Secondly, Its not the detail in the books that annoyed me. If it did, I wouldnt like reading, now would I? And, even if I still by some chance still enjoy reading, it would be an empty experience. I agree completely about how its mandatory for there to be some detail to add emotion and life to a story or novel. Its just the copius amounts of unecessary scenes that Rowling crammed down my throat that bothered me. Detail is like body fat; you need some of it, but if you have too much it becomes unsightly. I found there to be too much filler, thats all. But from what you've written up there, it would seem as if i'd written something like 'Detail is stupid and pointless. I wish there was more action instead!' And lastly, I already said something to justify (somewhat) why I dislike Harry and Ron, but I'll say it again; their characters and personalities developed, which is very necessary as you said, but I just didnt like the way they turned out. I can hardly help how I feel about them, and I believe I have already explained my thinking sufficiently. This is hardly a matter of debate, seeing how everybody interprets characters differently. And finally Emmy, It is entirely up to you as to how out think about the issues Wokwok and I have presented. Seeing as how you aggree with him, this post will be sufficient for the both of you. And thanks by the way, to both of you, again. I really love to explain myself <img src='/images/emoticons/smiley1.png'> P.S. Oh, and Wokwok; this isnt enough for me. You can keep sending in all the stuff you want, I would welcome another chance to debate with you <img src='/images/emoticons/smiley2.png'>
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08-07-2008
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Well, first of all, when characters develop over time, they may or may not turn out like you thought they would. So obviously there's going to be SOMEONE who dislikes them.
And, you seem to complain about things that are not meant to be complained about...like Quidditch. If you had an entire book written with nothing but action, the action itself would become boring. Everyone would be thinking, "Enough already!" So why not take some time to eat breakfast of enjoy a quidditch match? If the whole septology was based around Voldemort, the series wouldn't be as popular as it is. You mention that all that extra stuff is too much. But really, it's not ALL that much. I've seen PLENTY of books where chapters and chapters will be dedicated to one task and it's not even relavent to the main plot line. Oh, and I don't see the big deal really in finding out that Dumbledore was gay. Sure that was a shocker to find out...but nobody really noticed it while reading the books before, so it really should make any difference. And plus, it's not like he ever asked Harry to his office just to hit on him or anything. (Add Twilight Zone music theme here) I even read back to see if I could find any clues to him being gay. Nothing. oh and Elbarto: I don't think people enjoy debating with someone who has their mind SET on their point of veiw, never wavering. The point of debates is to....well make a point, yes, but to also shift the veiw(s) of others, and the debators.... just a thought. <img src='/images/emoticons/smiley7.png'>
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08-07-2008
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You know, your post was just plain pointless. You already agree with what WokWok says, so why not just say that? So, basically, you've just wasted my time and yours with this comment. I already explained half the stuff you put in here; why not just actually READ my most recent post instead of adding to someone elses argument? I already explained my thoughts about detail; go back and read them before bothering me again.
Just a thought.
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#54
08-12-2008
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Elberto, no post is pointless. Umbreon expressed her views, you can't say they don't matter. And anyway, I agree with her.
Being my sister, Umbreon has about the exact same views about this as I do. Anyway, it's entirely up to you whether or not you like a character. But I think they turned out perfectly. In fact, I challenge you to show me ONE time when someone acted at all "out-of-character." Also, I like that you are a writer, too, and you understand the things I have said about that. But you're never finished getting better. No one is. In fact, I'm sure there are things that Ms. Rowling herself would like to go back and change. Just remember to use another author's writing to better your own. J.K. Rowling's books didn't get so famous for nothing. But if you don't take the oppurtunity to learn fsom her, how will your writing ever compare to Harry Potter?
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#55
08-12-2008
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Again, you confuse what I'm saying.... <img src='/images/emoticons/smiley5.png'>
I wont even TRY to show you a time when they act out of character; because they don't. I wonder how many times I will have to say this before it finally sinks in; I JUST DONT LIKE HARRY AND RON. Can I be blamed for that? No. So stop challenging me to prove why I dislike them so much. And, you are going about and changing/exaggerating what I've written, and you've done it multiple times: Once when I said that Rowling put in too much filler, and again about how you implied that I found that Harry and Ron were 'out of character'. I didnt say either of these things. In fact, I challenge YOU to go and find a part in one of my earlier posts where I 'complain about Harry and Ron acting out of character', or about how I thought "detail was pointless'. I will be very impressed if you do find anything of the sort. And yes, every writer does keep improving.... I am not a better writer than Rowling, but rather I (think) am better than what she wrote. If she were to rewrite all of Harry Potter, than it could very well be far better than anything I could ever produce, I dont know. Again, this is my opinion, and I know that many would consider me arrogant for saying this. Again, thats their opinion, just as you consider Harry and Ron to have turned out 'perfectly' and I consider them to be... Well, less than perfect. All of this is in the perspective of who is reading, and since all individuals are different, no opinions will be identical. AS FOR UMBRON: I do apologize for my rudeness. What I said was unecessary and deliberatly insulting, so again, I'm sorry.
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#56
08-19-2008
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Ok, this topic is going nowhere. All that's going on is everyone re-stating their veiws, having them misinterpreted, restated again, which starts up some deja vu.
The books are done. There's nothing you can do to change them, so why argue over them? You guys are arguing about the books in general, and this could go on forever, without any sort of progress. Progress, for progress's sake, must be discouraged. <img src='/images/emoticons/smiley7.png'>
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#58
08-21-2008
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O.o
...Yeah, it does. But we didn't make up the name "thread" for a sub-sub-subforum. Umbreon, PLEASE don't go Umbridge on us. <img src='/images/emoticons/smiley7.png'>
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