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Exactly. A buddhist might disagree with a christian concept.

You're intentionally missing this point. Stop.
but buddhists don't believe in god either... this is blatant discrimination... :(
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but buddhists don't believe in god either... this is blatant discrimination... :(
But they do have specific ways of meditating and beliefs about seeking inner peace and such.

It's more structured and spiritual than regular atheism.
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I feel Buddhism fulfills this criterion.
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Buddhism, however, takes different meanings.

Certain sects actually do believe in spiritual beings like demons. (If I remember correctly)
And some revere the Buddha himself, similar to the way Christians revere Jesus.

I'm not sure what this has to do with anything, but I don't think excluding atheist viewpoints from this discussion is valid.
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oh it's overmind, finally somebody with some semblance of sense arrives...

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Then admit that atheism is a religion.
2/10, had me going for a moment
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Then admit that atheism is a religion.
That's a debate out of the reach of the scope of this thread.
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Then let it go and go to the other apocalypse thread. Thank you.
...or make a new topic that discusses why or why not athiesm is a religion?
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Why are there even two apocalypse threads?

What's the purpose of this one? Apocalypse-with-a-religious-twist? Which makes the other one ... what? A discussion of the 'atheist apocalypse'?

Does anyone else not see what's wrong with this situation?
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This thread shouldn't exist. Meld them together. That's what I've wanted since the beginning. It makes the most sense.
I didn't get that impression at all, I simply thought you just wanted to exclude atheists from the discussion.

But that works too, I guess.

I'd advocate just locking this one and being done with it.
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Then let it go and go to the other apocalypse thread. Thank you.
ok, mod-mode engage

it's not your place to dictate which opinions are conducive to the discussion at hand and which are not, and you certainly aren't vested with the power to arbitrarily exclude an entire set of people from a thread

knock it the fuck off

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Why are there even two apocalypse threads?

What's the purpose of this one? Apocalypse-with-a-religious-twist? Which makes the other one ... what? A discussion of the 'atheist apocalypse'?

Does anyone else not see what's wrong with this situation?
that thread was apparently intended to discuss natural disasters in general, the original poster wanted to seperate any religious discussion

again, not her place to demand such a thing but here we are...
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that thread was apparently intended to discuss natural disasters in general, the original poster wanted to seperate any religious discussion

again, not her place to demand such a thing but here we are...
I don't feel that the "apocalypse" has enough scope to warrant multiple threads. But, whatever.
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I don't feel that the "apocalypse" has enough scope to warrant multiple threads. But, whatever.
thankfully none of this really matters, in the grand scheme of things...
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thankfully none of this really matters, in the grand scheme of things...
Definitely.

Because when its the end of the world, nothing really matters.

As an aside, I don't know about you guys but I will be focusing on more pressing matters. Atoning for my sins? Pfffft. I'll likely be trying to work out a deal with God, while simultaneously trying to work out a deal with Satan. If one falls through, I've got to fall back on something, right?
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So instead of making peace between yourself and the spiritual world, you would rather gamble your way into the afterlife? [ I may not have used the words I was looking for ]

Interesting.
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Sally, if God understands us all, why require us to beg for forgiveness?
God always forgives. But the relationship between God and man can't last if God only forgives but man never apologizes.

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If God understands us, then shouldn't it be easy to understand why we'd do things from our point of view and understand the logic behind it?
This is probably where mercy comes in.

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Doesn't God like when people use logic?
Yes. It means that we're using the brain that He gave us.
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So even with endless piles of guilt, forgiveness won't come if the person doesn't say, "I'm sorry"?
It does, but the person can't have a relationship with God if the person doesn't say, "I'm sorry." That's really the whole point of forgiveness, even though God is willing to forgive when the person doesn't apologize.
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If God is perfect, why does He need that apology?
The apology isn't about God. It's about man, who is imperfect.
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Why don't you go ask a minister, SR?
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Yes.
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Atheists are more than welcome to show their view if the world were to turn on itself and suddenly be destroyed, even if they don't believe in God.

@SR, more like Lucifer was the prideful one, believing he was better than God and all the Angels put together.
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Pride is a sin. Lucifer had a superiority complex.
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Eh, I have a superiority complex.

Maybe I'd be better off with Satan since we have so much in common.
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How can God be perfect if He isn't everything?
He is the creator of all things.

SR, really, you should go talk to a minister or something.
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*ALERT*

Thread is veering off-topic.

*ALERT*
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Is the god of origins. However somethings had become derived from those which were good.
And the bible speaks in an unliteral way. Ways of which can never be fuly understood.
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How can God be perfect if He isn't everything?
God is the ultimate Omniscient being.

It knows all, sees all, and is present in all things.

God doesn't make mistakes, but It doesn't want to command and rule a bunch of mindless slaves and robots, which is why Humans and all other living creatures were given free will to decide for them selves.
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*sigh* Looks like I have to clear things up about my religion rather than provide some mindfucks for the Christians...

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I feel Buddhism fulfills this criterion.
It indeed does; we do not hold a sentient divine being in regard. The only divine processes are as natural as time.

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But they do have specific ways of meditating and beliefs about seeking inner peace and such.

It's more structured and spiritual than regular atheism.
I would say it's a little less structured, considering that there's more than one way to achieve enlightenment and only one way to truly believe in nothing, that way being get so high you don't even think.

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but buddhists don't believe in god either... this is blatant discrimination... :(
Took the words right out of my mouth, Underling. It does in fact bother me that we are walked on because of our lack of belief in some deity.

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Exactly. A buddhist might disagree with a christian concept.

You're intentionally missing this point. Stop.
I like how you say "might" when it's typically a blatant "will", but that's just in my case, there are plenty of moderate Buddhists around.

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Buddhism, however, takes different meanings.

Certain sects actually do believe in spiritual beings like demons. (If I remember correctly)
Yes, but they are not divine. Besides, that's more of a follower of Shinto grafting Buddhism onto their already felt beliefs. (I do things the other way around, so I'm more Buddhist than Shinto, but the mix is still there.)
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shinto's pretty cool, why does nobody believe in the interesting religions anymore...
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Regarding Angels.

An extremely, powerful, shining, force that could knock you on your ass as easily as look at you, appears before you, are you going to ask questions or immediately, start bowing and worshipping the creature that could kill you, instantly?

(The being is an Angel not God, but you don't have this info before hand.)


If this situation were to happen to me, I'd be kneeling bowing, whatever, as long as the creature didn't hurt me.
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Is the god of origins. However somethings had become derived from those which were good.
And the bible speaks in an unliteral way. Ways of which can never be fuly understood.
The Bible speaks:

1. Literally
2. Allegorically
3. Morally
4. Anagogically

So... yes it is literal to an extent. The other 3 senses draw from the literal perspective.
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