Deleted Scene from Episode 46

[chickwithnoname]

Originally Posted by MarikFTW

Yeah, I completely agree. His personality changes dramatically and he is no longer the Marik I grew to know and love.... He still looks cute though.

he has a personality?
WHERE?
seriously, most of the chars are so bland and one-dimensional i wouldn't care if zorc DID destroy the world..

[MarikFTW]

Well, that may be true for you but I would disagree. There is a lot of personality in Yugioh, and I'm not just talking about the abridged series. You just need to look a little harder. Reading the manga might help, if you can find it anywhere.

[AllisonWalker]

Someone didn't watch the sub.
*cough*chickwithnoname*cough*

[chickwithnoname]

Originally Posted by AllisonWalker

Someone didn't watch the sub.
*cough*chickwithnoname*cough*

lol wrong.
watched both the sub+ all the manga.
i just watched a lot more anime and seeing series with true character development makes this one seem really shallow by comparison.

[AllisonWalker]

Originally Posted by chickwithnoname

lol wrong.
watched both the sub+ all the manga.
i just watched a lot more anime and seeing series with true character development makes this one seem really shallow by comparison.

lol then you're just clueless.

[chickwithnoname]

yu-gi-oh fits into the shounen series type.
though some shounen series have better character development than others.i'm usually not that pretentious.
yu-gi-oh is on the lower end of the spectrum though, especially the anime. more towards the DBZ crowd.

what actually bothered me was that takahashi did try to give everyone some backstory and personality up till volume 8,especially yugi, but then pretty much threw it out the window for "moar card games!!!"

everyone was now either a cheerleader or a very bland version of themselves, who for some reason forgot everything they learned so far and acted like morons (like ryou, who seems to have forgot everything about the spirit of the ring and can't wait to put it back on after battle city...wtf????).

the new characters get a lot less developed, especially otogi, who after having his run as a "villain" is mainly forgotten.
marik got a little more attention and sympathy, but i couldn't care for anybody else.

also marik didn't have much of a distinct personality, he had a larger BACKSTORY than the rest.
i mean, what distinct trait does he have? is he good at something? does he have any quirks? no, not really, unless looking silly while riding a bike is "special"

yu-gi-oh went through the same process that every series goes through- the more characters you have, the less personality they'll have to share between themselves.

that's why death note worked so well for the 1st part- 2 characters, a lot more traits to go around.

[chickwithnoname]

Originally Posted by AllisonWalker

lol then you're just clueless.

no, it just means you're seeing too much into a cartoon.
good luck with going outside for once.

[AllisonWalker]

Originally Posted by chickwithnoname

no, it just means you're seeing too much into a cartoon.
good luck with going outside for once.

Haha, you're so funny.

[AllisonWalker]

Not necessarily. The Fountainhead entertains a main cast of 7 characters (Roark, Keating, Toohey, Wynand, Dominique, Francon, and Mallory). Yuugiou entertains a main cast of only 5 characters (Yugi, Atem, Ryou Kaiba, Bakura, Marik). Both works have too many subordinate characters to count, but that's why they're subordinate.

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[Basketcat]

Originally Posted by AllisonWalker

fix'd

True lol.
And Kaiba was a main character for a while.

[AllisonWalker]

Originally Posted by Basketcat

True lol.
And Kaiba was a main character for a while.

He is. Always has been. From first episode to the last.

Ryou is a host. I'd consider him minor.

[Basketcat]

Originally Posted by Von Lauder

Ah, I always forget about Kaiba. But I would still keep Ryou as a main character as well.

Kaiba is an interesting character to analyze, lol.
I guess, but he doesn't get a lot of development in the anime.

[AllisonWalker]

Kaiba has alot of shit drama that keeps pilling on throughout the seasons, even during some of the filler archs.

[Basketcat]

Originally Posted by AllisonWalker

Kaiba has alot of shit drama that keeps pilling on throughout the seasons, even during some of the filler archs.

In the noa arch especially.
And Yami Yuugi fucks with his head a lot lol.

[AllisonWalker]

Originally Posted by Von Lauder

Kaiba is obviously developed, but he's the antithesis of Takahashi's themes. He doesn't change for the better nor for the worse. He just thrusts his head further into his own preconceptions. I like that.

I consider Ryou a main character because, thematically, Bakura and Ryou are two sides of the same coin. Obviously that's not literally correct, but it's thematically necessary. The only example I can think of is The Scarlet Letter. Pearl isn't a main character in terms of involvement in the story, but Hester's main character status forces Pearl to be a main character too.

He's not completely static, and that's why I like him.
:3

I still wouldn't consider him main. No one actually knows him. We barely know anything about him. Again, he's the host for the main villian. To be a main character, he needs to be relevent to the plot 4 out of 5 times.

[AllisonWalker]

Originally Posted by Von Lauder

Eh, there's some holes in that reasoning. Marik shouldn't be a main character because he's only relevant for 2 seasons. Yugi shouldn't be a main character because he's just a host for the main protagonist. Etc.

The show carries on Yugi's story for 5 seasons, lmao.

No, I don't really consider Marik a main character.

[AllisonWalker]

I couldn't get through Brave New World.
1984 is the shit.

[AllisonWalker]

That's true. If you think Yugioh is black and white, you weren't paying close enough attention.

[MarikFTW]

Indeed. Yu-Gi-Oh is a much deeper show that anyone would guess at first glance.

[LimeyLady483]

Um, Thiefshipping FTW?

[Outenkun]

Originally Posted by Von Lauder

Kaiba is obviously developed, but he's the antithesis of Takahashi's themes. He doesn't change for the better nor for the worse. He just thrusts his head further into his own preconceptions. I like that.

I consider Ryou a main character because, thematically, Bakura and Ryou are two sides of the same coin. Obviously that's not literally correct, but it's thematically necessary. The only example I can think of is The Scarlet Letter. Pearl isn't a main character in terms of involvement in the story, but Hester's main character status forces Pearl to be a main character too.

Yeah, I think Ryou's quite important too, you read a lot, don't you?~ I like your arguments

and Bakura's character development is really intriguing, he changes a lot from season 1 to season 2 and finally in season 5 he is just someone else...

[Outenkun]

Originally Posted by LimeyLady483

Um, Thiefshipping FTW?

AgreedXD

[lesjoursdete]

imho, i don't think ryou's a main character, but it all boils down to semantics at the end. what's a main character? :V is it screen time? development? the char fan base?

most of us just go by gut instinct on who's a main and who's not. but when people wanna get technical...*shrug*

Originally Posted by Von Lauder

I consider Ryou a main character because, thematically, Bakura and Ryou are two sides of the same coin. Obviously that's not literally correct, but it's thematically necessary. The only example I can think of is The Scarlet Letter. Pearl isn't a main character in terms of involvement in the story, but Hester's main character status forces Pearl to be a main character too.

off-note: i see the point you're trying to make. interesting, although i disagree. :/ for me, pearl served more of an allegorical function. pearl as a human character didn't emerge until the end of the book.

[Anna-aurion]

I lol'd XD