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09-23-2010
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I mean the ones that I see in class constantly with their heads down clicking away for hours on end with no purpose. Yea its good to have for contacting parents but thats not what they're used for the majority of the time. So many kids have terrible confrontational skills because they only know how to talk to people through text, and its probably only going to get worse anyway.
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09-23-2010
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Parent your kids on what cell phones are for. Problem solved. Dealing with eight year olds isn't that difficult.
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09-23-2010
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Sure They Are I Mean I Dont Know Why But I Have a Feeling That They Are...Yeah
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09-23-2010
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09-23-2010
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Parenting is never simple. But hey, if you don't hold your kids responsible for anything, they never will act responsible. And dealing with a snotty kid is much easier than taking on asshole teenagers. Yeah, been there (several times) before.
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09-23-2010
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09-23-2010
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It still scares me with I see children with cellphones though. I'm still having new millenium shock.
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09-23-2010
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Because you're so old?
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09-23-2010
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=Allison is right, a big thing is made out of nothing, the problem is not the phone, it way the phone is treated which is thing really need to look at, it interesting to note that I was first person in my school to have a moblie and in the 10 years which have passed sense I got my first phone, I have only replaced it twice, both times with equally cheap and outdated models, while my friends who got their phones when about 16+, have all had 100's of the things, all being latest model and all treated with very little care or respect, take from this story what want
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09-23-2010
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I knew a lot of kids while working at camp who kept mobile phones. The younger the kids were, the less of a problem it was. Teenagers would always be on them texting their friends instead of doing activities, but the kids would only use them to find out where their parents were on camp. Different mind set between young kids and teens.
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well as I am now a teacher in Asian of all places, I have to say this topic is of real interest to me.
I am going to say I believe the thread myself right and that children in the west may grow in some regards too fast, but I have too say, in others I am glad I lost my innocence. Here I have met people of 26+ who live with their parents and are fundamentally children in all but name. They cannot go out without their parents permission, must get home by certain time and are completely financially dependant upon their parents still. Their only way out of this is too marry and start own family o0. -I learnt today I still have a lot to learn about the world and in many ways childhood sucked, but at least I have learnt to look after myself and I live my own life. That is something I do not wish to change right now and I know would have too if my innocence had not been lost. I will write more later >.
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11-01-2011
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Well the whole thing depends on what you define as growing up. To most, it's a combination of age, learning 'adult' things and learning to be responsible for ones' own actions and consequences. This growing up is a result of adapting to societal pressures around us, so that makes the question just a little iffy. You have to grow up to fit society's expectations, so... yeah.
HURR I come back to the forum after a year or so, and only after typing out this entire post, I realized I was the one who made the topic *facepalm*
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Holy=really? I think I was drunk, I wrote that lol
Killshot=It is short theme deal to pay my way through masters in Chinese and European law. I am learning a lot, but my inability to comprise on exposition, means I am a somewhat mundane teacher. Overmind=Though I was able to get into a relationship with a Taiwanese girl, within 1 month of arriving in Taiwan, I refute such a claim with the power of history...I also dated an Iranian, a Ghanaian, a French girl, 2 Chinese girls and most shocking of all, an English girl 0o. -PS and if that neurotic exposition doesn't convince you, I went for Asian girls before it was cool. >> << [ i actually know a guy who really has yellow fever...literally anything Asian and movable is ok for him :P ]
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as a parent i'm going to put my two cents in. my daughter is 12 and there are plenty of things i see happening in her life that in some cases correspond to what i did at her age. but there are plenty of things that aren't. concepts, thoughts, and such are in some ways more advanced. i think the advent of the internet introduces things much quicker to children these days. parents use television, video games and the internet as babysitting tools more so than in the past. while i had the internet it wasn't until i was into my mid-teens while she grew up with it. games, technology, tv, etc is much more advanced than (gasp i'm saying it) in my day.
given all that and that my view is yes kids are growing up faster i still have to view the other side of the coin. but it's SOME kids, not all. i think in part it has to do with the parent. i show my daughter old tv shows, video games and music from my generation and older. while she does everything today's kids do she loves the older things more. while they might be growing up too fast it's also a relative view. the society of the day is constantly evolving. as someone stated earlier there was a time when you were considered adult at 13. time and such is relative to the moment. in 10, 25, 50 years things will change again.
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11-05-2011
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To be honest I have been thinking about this and Through history we have experienced yet another case of the Yerkes-Dodson law, though in each way of "growing up too fast" is different.
Back in the industrial revolution, and noticably still in developing countries, There is barely anything which we call childhood, working from 5 years old to get money to feed your family. In the case here children grow up into adults too fast, having to accept responsability and live only for work. Post-industrial until the 1960-70's, we had an era of where children were allowed childhoods and reached a point where they were not in any way mature and remained innocent until mid-teens. Now, after the peak in childhood duration, we are starting to rise out of this, but not "growing up" as in childhood to adulthood, but rather childhood to Adolescence. It can be blamed on the media, as mystra said internet exposes people more quickly, and I am pretty much certain now that media is becoming ever more sexuallised, trying to dull our braisn for easier access. However, can it really just be blamed on media? You can blame technology, but then you chose to let them by not blocking potentially harmful sites. Computers now for kids are simply the toys of this generation, and its up to the parents to monitor what they are doing, much like watching kids play to make sure they dont choke on something they tried to swallow. Its not just media however I have recently realised. Due to richer diets which most likely have added growth hormones (which is why our generation is generally taller), our biology is able to develop much faster and stronger than previously. Im not really a scientist in any sense, but logically this would lead to the experience of puberty at a significantly earlier age. Not sure if right here, but this can be shown as if Im not mistaken that previously the pubescent age used to start about 13-14, but now starts at 10-11. Thus people become biologically driven to discover these things, and thus its probable biology has lead to why people enter pubescent behavior faster. Then of course, we have social factors. Liberalism has lead to people being more open about things, and kids arnt being controled as much. Older siblings therefore act more aggressive and... um... speak more sexually around younger siblings, and so the childrenw ill follow their example and we get the pre-pubescent syndrome of these overly aggressive ten year olds trying to act big. Due to conformity as well, if one child experiences early puberty or the former thing I mentioned happens and that child acts pubescently, the friends of that kid will follow and that spreads. So therefore, they may be growing up too fast, but as an inevitability of the development of both our culture and our access to nutrients, not necessarilly of media, though it can be some degree of cause.
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Can I just say one thing in regards to this line:-
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-Even here, one of my fellow teachers was telling about a rather unwanted question she had from a young Taiwanese student...this shows several things: 1=This is very cultural-in the west my rather interesting father had no shame in admitting he knew about this stuff...in Taiwan, the knowledge is there, but the only person this girl felt she could ask was her none-taiwanese teacher because she was the only person this girl could think of who would be open to talking about such things...as it was; the teacher wasn't. lol 2=Shows we know, whether admit it or not. 3=Shows, the innocence thing is not about sex and the only reason people make about that, is because that is an easy target for the conservatives to attack as know area even most liberals still fluster over a little. The loss of innocence is far deeper than that intruth, it is too with an ability to understand the world outside our front door and know their is more to life than us. An ability to sense where we should go without being told and the willingness to look for our own responsibility. One of the things that exasperates me about Taiwanese society is that most children here are so mothered that they lack any ability to develop their own sense of personality and direction, meaning they won't choose their own dinner without feeling the need to get permission from a higher authority first. I think one of the things which strangely attracted my girlfriend about me, was the sense of self I had...I often make really bad decisions, but at least I make a decision, something she had rarely seen in Taiwan, even in herself. -I now take her cloths shopping, because I know she likes new cloths and such stuff, but she feels incapable of going into a store without someone to tell her the item is ok for her to buy, because her mother always brought her cloths for her previously. o0. -Even now just had a girl whose is supposed to be a friend of my girlfriend, rejected meeting us because we did not know exactly where we were going and what we would do, which scared her too much... This is the side where I feel in the west we grow up faster and in many ways, I am glad we do. However I realise there are down sides too.
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11-05-2011
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I read Grim and Fared's posts, and I have a question.
Since when is sex a bad thing? The danger lies in that it's easy to get addicted to, but other than that, I feel like religion (mostly Judaism and the religions that spawned from its base) is to blame for the very idea that sex is somehow a bad thing. People seem to push this idea that sex is intrinsically bad, and I don't really understand why now. Yeah, it can be dangerous, but that kinda goes out of the window with the pill, condoms, vasectomy, and tons of other ways of preventing impregnation. Even if kids grow up to teenagers quickly, and sexualization is an integral part of that... how's that a bad thing? Is it that they're just not smart enough to realize the importance of proper condom use? I don't think so. I think that because teenagers are afraid of confronting their parents (usually women, I don't think men mind as much) about sex (as well as pretty much anyone in their community of any real experience), they're simply unable to get ahold of stuff like that to the extent that they need. But I don't really know. What do you guys think?
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I have a question...since when did I...mr hoe...call sex bad? My post was saying this conversation has nothing to do with sex and sex is just scapegoat as people like to make out that somehow the past was more moral and sexual repression was part of that, but it wrong on two fronts...one repression is never good...two people weren't repressed, they just lied that they were..., if anything, we fundmentally agree here, I think.
PS I could add a third that to consider our ancestors moral is at its core bullfeck of highest order and I can never understand this anti-modern day feeling people like to hold. Last edited by Fat1Fared; 11-05-2011 at 11:25 AM.
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Well yeah in society it is considered an ethical norm that sex is a bad thing outside of loving relationship, most likely due to the as mentioned religion.
For me, I think it is mainly about mental and emotional preparation. You must learn and understand the risks involved and after the act your mind may not be able to actually cope with it. Again though this may be of societys norms. Then again though, in psychology we have recently been looking at relationships, and one theory suggests that women are generally monogymous by nature, while men are polygymous, which does suggest sex is nothing wrong with sleeping around for men. But then women have the monogamy desire because they require a male to take care of them and the child. Men have been shown to have greater sexual jealousy, as in are against their women having another partner, while women are against emotional betrayal. This has evolved into society, and thus religion, to make society completely monogymous, and wrong to sleep around. It is a valid point that you made though, but nonetheless if we were in a polygymous society and women still wanted these rights, men would continue this sexual jealousy and fight with each other even more, which would inevitably lead to social breakdown. In his sense, it is needed for us to work as a united society. Although, we can look at the ancient Greeks, who apparently used homosexual sodomy to form bonds between the ranks. In the end though, we are talking about teenagers, and the monogamy comes about more in early adulthood, so it remains a grey area as to why we consider it bad. And yes, through proper condo use you can prevent the spread of STDs and pregnancy, but the problem is not every teenager does, and it is likely a no-go area for teens nowadays because they arnt always responsable enough to follow the necessary guidelines, so we are taught not to be promiscious, at least not in our teenage years, until we have learned our responsabilities and thus are prepared. In the end, people disapprove more of teenage promiscuity more than adult promiscuity, so thats likely the reason. The earlier discussed point is likely why adults who do that are looked down upon.
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These are some interesting answers, thank you.
Though I disagree with you on many points, grim, I doubt I'd be able to get you to change your mind, so I'll keep that to myself unless someone else brings it up.
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Well they arnt really my actual opinion as much as it is just pondering as to why. I personally have been raised to seeit pretty much as a commitment to the other person, regardless of the purpose. As I said, the reason why we disapprove of sex is pretty much a grey area with no real answer, so all I can say is opinion and theories.
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that being said there is a fine line between punishment and abuse and if I ever had more than one child I would probably be tempted to give them the odd smack but I do not see myself having more than one, one child is more than enough thanks :)
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