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06-22-2011
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Censored Internet - What are your views?
Not sure if any international people are aware of this but the Australian government has been trying to implement filtered internet at an ISP level and apparently Telstra and Optus the two biggest internet/telephone providers will start censoring the internet next month
http://www.news.com.au/technology/in...-1226079954138 The Government have been using scare tactics, telling parents that it is to protect their children from pornography and my mum wants the filter because she thinks that is all they will be doing. I am personally against it because it may start there but when will it end because I don’t want Australia ending up like China in regards to their internet policies. 
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06-22-2011
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I say that they should let parents decide what is suitable for their kids to do on the internet. the government shouldn't try to censor things like that. the parents should be responsible enough to control what their kids see.
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06-22-2011
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Well I feel there should definately be customizable areas on what is blocked and what isn't. Perhaps there could be a way for all sites that a child isn't familiar with is blocked and therefore have to consult their parents before unblocking it. In a way I agree with this if mroe elaboration was made about it but I am against it if it means it blocks things for everyone.
I myself am not a fan of pornography but to stop people from finding material that could help them masturbate, which is in turn not a bad thing for one's health now and then, just to say "We're doing justice for our youth" is selfish and used just to make them feel good about themselves and for those who can hack the system, which there definately will be it's not going to stop anything. Although the parent-child part of it all isn't that bad an idea, is it really necessary to put a damper on everyone else just because parents fail horribly at defending their kids. God, it's a wonder our children are the way they are today.
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#4
06-22-2011
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Australia's censorship at it again?
Man, I used to think Australia was so cool So they're gonna filter their internet so that it's not a danger to children? Maybe if they're going to think about "danger" to children, they ought to have censored their damn animals first I mean, come on, you live on an island with the vast majority of the world's deadliest creatures - some of which literally sit on your doorsteps, and your government is more concerned with the danger that anons from halfway across the damn world pose to children? WHAT IS THIS I DON'T EVEN-
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#6
06-22-2011
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I am with internode for my main internet connection but with telstra for my wireless mobile internet. Unfortunately there is no other choice for mobile wireless in rural/country areas that can actually get mobile internet.
The current government is the problem I don't like the PM Juliar Gillard but the opposition Tony Abbot is no better. At the moment we need to protect our cows from Indonesians (there is a export ban on cattle to Indonesia because of animal cruelty when they are slaughtered) We are getting a carbon tax to protect the environment To help the problem with too many illegal immigrants in our detention centres the government are sending 800 people to Malaysian detention centres but in return we are getting 4000 of Malaysia's illegal immigrant http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nati...-1226052143254
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06-22-2011
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#8
06-22-2011
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I don't think it's appropriate for the government to deem what material on the internet should be available to its constituents.
I think possibly the most optimal solution would be for the ISPs to provide optional, customizable filters with varying degrees of protection, and for the government to classify sites for various ratings and perceived dangers. Something similar that comes to mind is the Firefox add-on Adblock Plus, which is fully customizable but also comes with preloaded blacklists that you can elect to use.
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06-22-2011
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The internet is the last point of true anarchy in the world. Attempts to police it are highly political, as is absolutely everything government does. It drives back to what Feball said of "my mum wants the filter because she thinks [censoring pornography from children] is all they will be doing". All they have to do is keep people happy to stay elected or keep the party re-elected. It's not about truth or goodness, nor is it about the deep happiness that comes with freedom, but rather, a cheap fleeting happiness. Politics are dirty and disgusting. However... That's Australia. Even though it indirectly affects me, I hail no allegiance to that country, so they can do as they wish.
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06-22-2011
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My views on censoring the internet are thus: "I'm fairly sure if they took porn off the Internet, there'd only be one website left, and it'd be called 'Bring Back the Porn!"
Further elaboration, explanation, degradation, and getting hit on the head lessons on request.
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#12
06-30-2011
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Actually in Germany was this discussion about censorship in the internet too. Especially after those School-Shooting cases the politics were like : "Internet is bad and everything blah!"
One Lady tried to convince everyone to put a "stop sign" in front of each page with illegal content (child pornography and so on). But thanks to the national computer experts / nerds she wasn't able to do that. That sign would have been total useless, because you could have ignored it. I'm not sure about this, but cencoring the internet is kinda illegal and a No Go to us. Some ppl want strict rules for the internet society, but this is just stupid. The best method to fight against this is to proclaim about it. Organize demonstrations, speeches and most of all: Try to show the ppl who are afraid of the internet, that there is no need to be afraid. That's not an easy task, but you can't let the government censor the internet. This would be totally like China!
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07-01-2011
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have you ever been to china or least spoken to a Chinese person in your life?
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07-01-2011
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It's pointless to bring that up, Fared, unless you've been to China yourself.
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07-01-2011
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07-01-2011
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Question: Have you been to the good parts of China-- you know, the parts they show tourists-- or the shitty parts?
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#17
07-01-2011
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The China discussion is irrelevant because what Siri meant by "This would totally be like China!" from what I can gather is that he meant that the Chinese government has a lot of control over the Internet, and that is what many of us, including the Australians, would not want.
Feball mentioned China in her first post by saying, "I don’t want Australia ending up like China in regards to their internet policies." That's all Siri was saying and a further discussion about having actually been to China etc. is a little pointless and off-topic. [ Although I have twin friends who have been to China, one of them went twice to teach English to children, and they both say that it's pretty awesome. ]
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#18
07-01-2011
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=Now what I was actually asking people about, was the actual knowledge of china, that the people who keep making comments about china actually have on that country, (I was especially interested in Feball, because she worked on charity and could very well been to china -_-) oh and sally ninja...how lame for me lol Last edited by Fat1Fared; 07-01-2011 at 04:49 PM.
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07-02-2011
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I have to say: I've never been to China, even though I had the opportunity to go there by school. It wasn't meant in any racist or aggressive form. I just didn't know of another example of a current regime that cuts into the right of free speech, except from North Korea and maaaaybe Russia (when it comes to anti-government journalism ;) ).
It's just, that China is a common example for a regime that censors the internet. I know that a lot of Chinese students are able to visit censored / forbidden pages. The ppl who where on exchange there told us, they would do it anyways, even though it's illegal. So to make that clear: I don't have anything against Chinese ppl, nor against their culture. I don't judge ppl in general, because of my belief in the individual. And judging censorship has nth to do with the ppl living there. But I'm pretty intrested into the stuff a person says, who actually been in China and knows more about it, than a tourist guide shows you. :)
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#20
07-10-2011
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While I think it's important for parents to watch what their kids are doing on the internet, I also feel that sometimes parents are often planted for disaster/issue. Like my mom nearly passed out and later nearly scalped me when I was like 13 and she found out I was talking to people on the internet. Now, I understood her concerned for pedophiles, but I was in a relatively safe site (it was generally a site dedicated to a game series and not really an open forum and I was very paranoid about giving information and speaking to people privately) and was never once approached, and it never became a problem for me. Now, there are unfortunate cases, but I feel like the media goes a bit over the top sometimes. It's important to spread awareness, but not put people in fear.
That and there is also the concern of what the government/whoever is in charge of the censorship actually censors.
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07-10-2011
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-However I feel there must be other reasons, which I am not well placed enough to say that cause this. =Now as said, I do not wish to go into my own thoughts on China, as they are long and complex, even to myself and I feel they would shift too far from this issue, as to even broadly understand China as it is, you have to look at what it once was and cannot take any individual point of its current status in isolation. Plus I just do not feel my opinion on China is fair enough to warrant comment. I love and hate China in the same way, I love and hate myself, though I may make a topic on it one day, (if I get the internship in the Human Rights organisation which works in China, I will probably talk after that) Quote:
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And this leads me back to the topic, I will not talk of Aussie's actions because do not know enough about the Aussie's react to such things, but I can say the UK was founded on the concept of lessiue faire politicals that everything is legal till it is illegal, which is certainly unattainable concept in the modern world, but has been completely forgotten after 15 years of Labours cultural terrorism, such ideals have been completely and so were they still in power, it would not shock me that would support this sort of law, now my beautiful liberal party is in power, such actions are tentatively being reversed and so neo-form of liberalised lessiure faire is being introduced and so it would shock and disgust me for them to follow such acts, not because I am pro-lessue faire, in fact, I middle road with it and say government intervention is good thing when serves a purpose, but I am against it in this case. I am not really concerned about the, may lose facebook argument, because to be honest, if our governments cared about social networking, would have banned it already, intruth, they like it, because far less effective to have million people say like something online than is to have only 1000 people actively go out and stand against something. My concern is that despite my personal dislike of porn, censoring something so socially accepted for vaguely accept problems regarding young people is sort of like using a machine gun for crowd control and turkey found how badly that can go. If you want to watch porn and other laud things, go for it, this is area where government intervention will have more negative things than positive and so should not occur. I do not think this will lead to worse actions, I just believe this is a bad idea, especially when most Internet already have filters which individuals can use to block this sort of thing if care about kids. That just my confused and personal opinion
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#22
07-10-2011
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The German goverment thinks about forbidding FB parties xD because some ppl weren't able to handle them correct. They invited everyone to their private party and so on. I think this is just stubborn talking, cause FB won't delete this function and well... there are more important things to do.
Well I'm not completly aware of the Iran's situation, German media kinda tends to report more about China than Iran for some reason. Well, I have no interest in porn either, actually they just talked about "children's pornography". But when it comes to that it's better to take down the pages, than to censor it. What is very intresting I think is watching the traditional media dealing with the internet. @Red Spider Lily My mom was concerned too, when she found out. (okay, I was like..13 back then) But it was just a small ZeldaRPG Forum and I never had contact with a pedophile or anything.
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07-10-2011
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-simple really, germany one of few countries which openly trades with Iran, so doesn't want to be open about Iran, Britain does same thing with Pakistan and Afganistan
=(may spelt wrong, my mums computer lacks any form of spell checker and she won't let me input one) =They may do grandstanding but trust me, any government with half brain would not touch FB, though the German Government is bit of engmina of government o0 =Well I may have misread the article then, I thought it was banning porn overall to stop children watching it, if trying to ban child porn, all for it because I can actually see what trying to gain from that. Though to really tackle that, then main issue is still to tackle the producers themselves. Teach me for not reading the link lol Last edited by Fat1Fared; 07-10-2011 at 02:04 PM.
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07-10-2011
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Well, that's the alleged aim Fared. However, it was originally a government proposed internet filter, the purpose of which was to censor 'Refused Classification' material. So sites about video games deemed too whatever by our assclowns would be censored, including sites allowing you to buy them. Sites about movies with controversial or unpopular themes would be censored. If there are any child pornography sites actually out there anymore (unlikely, as apparently the majority of it is downloaded via P2P or something) then they should be shut down, rather than blocked.
This thread is about how the government's filter was stupid and stuff and like, so Optus and Telstra said 'y'know what? Let's just impose a filter on our service anyway and not tell anyone it's there or what sites are blocked. Brilliant'
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08-10-2011
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Illegalities are things the government don't like and taking them out of society's way... I dunno, maybe this idea only works with government censorship rather than willing censorship, but I still don't like the idea that the government can make things illegal, and then they are ok to censor in conversation... (Meaning the above sentence of 'Unless the content is illegal, I don't like censorship' is really just asking for liberties to be taken away) Sounds like a path to tyranny... Either way, censorship should never be allowed =/
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08-10-2011
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What about protecting children?
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#30
08-11-2011
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And what about parents who hurt their kids.
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