Bootcamp is getting too easy?

[AllisonWalker]

Terminology will just come from constant usage, along with the phonetic alphabet. I wouldn't worry about them. General Orders and Rank & Recognition are the biggest thing. Chiefs won't tolerate being called a Petty Officer, and you better not call an officer a chief like I have. It's not a good situation. Know how to catch that shit.

Knowing how to march well will help as well.

[Xanadu]

Originally Posted by HolyShadow

I'm talking about the freedom by which you can express your opinions without it being declared treasonous and resulting in your execution (or censorship, to a lesser extent).

well no one is making you join the army or whatever, you're just arguing for the sake of it, like you always do
its their organization, thingie, whatever, no one is making you join, you know the rules going into it, the world is a harsh place, censorship will always exist

[HolyShadow]

Originally Posted by Xanadu

well no one is making you join the army or whatever, you're just arguing for the sake of it, like you always do
its their organization, thingie, whatever, no one is making you join, you know the rules going into it, the world is a harsh place, censorship will always exist

I was responding to a remark killshot made. How you applied this to the topic at hand is beyond my comprehen-- oh right we were supposed to be talking about the military.

[killshot]

Originally Posted by Xanadu

well no one is making you join the army or whatever, you're just arguing for the sake of it, like you always do
its their organization, thingie, whatever, no one is making you join, you know the rules going into it, the world is a harsh place, censorship will always exist

Ever heard of the draft? Its happened before and it could happen again. Live and let live doesn't work if I could be forcefully drafted into their group at any time.

[ThePRPD]

Originally Posted by killshot

Ever heard of the draft? Its happened before and it could happen again.

It can happen again but it's very unlikely that it will anytime soon. Each branch of the military has an incredibly amount of people enlisted. Recently, the Coastguard has even changed it's rate of acceptance. If another draft were to happen it would have to be under incredibly dire circumstances.

So yes, no one is making you join. Using the draft as a counter-argument is silly due to the circumstances that would have to occur for it to go that far.

[Xanadu]

Originally Posted by killshot

Ever heard of the draft? Its happened before and it could happen again. Live and let live doesn't work if I could be forcefully drafted into their group at any time.

yeah I don't live in the US, so thats not a problem
we didn't even use the draft in WW2 (we sort of did in 1944, but most drafted didn't do anything in Europe-its a long story)
needless to say, Canada isn't exactly a country known to going to wars, especially needing a draft
even if there was a draft I'm not mentally stable enough to even qualify lol

[FluffyPillow]

Originally Posted by Xanadu

needless to say, Canada isn't exactly a country known to going to wars

Germany, too.
We didn't join the last Iraq war ;)

The topic is interesting but since I'm not from USA I hardly can say something the bootcamp there. I know from a few friends that the drill at the Budeswehr isn't that hard. But ok, a few months ago we had a draft. I could imagine that scrapping the draft will change a lot in the organisation of our military.
At least I'm happy that I'm no Israeli...
I'm not so into military stuff...

[Xanadu]

Doesn't Germany primarily make things like tanks and whatnot for other countries (or is that France...) I do know they make cars, sausage and very pretty women (lol)
we didn't join the Iraq war either, we thought it was pointless

[FluffyPillow]

Yeah, Germany produces a lot of military stuff...
Iraq war was pointless...same with the Afganistan war. (Ah, the Taleban is gone, what should we do with the warlords? Nothing? Good idea!)
The German soliders are mostly part of the blue helmets (UN). The last 'bigger' war was the one Kosovo war.

[Xanadu]

Originally Posted by FluffyPillow

Yeah, Germany produces a lot of military stuff...
Iraq war was pointless...same with the Afganistan war. (Ah, the Taleban is gone, what should we do with the warlords? Nothing? Good idea!)
The German soliders are mostly part of the blue helmets (UN). The last 'bigger' war was the one Kosovo war.

that makes sense
I think most of the armies in Europe are like that

[FluffyPillow]

Yeag some, not all have a bigger arms production. Since we've got the great EU there is no need for such a big army.
I want to see how the US handle their status as a superpower in the future especially against China.

[Xanadu]

the US won't be one forever, they've really only been one since the 1940s
no empire lasts forever, countries rise and fall-become huge and fade
in the last 100 years the look and empires of Europe alone have changed so much

[FluffyPillow]

^That's for sure. Look at England...
The USA are really confident when it comes to world policy.

[Xanadu]

Originally Posted by FluffyPillow

^That's for sure. Look at England...
The USA are really confident when it comes to world policy.

no country/empire wants to admit its failing, history has shown that they have tried to cling on to the very end

[FluffyPillow]

Originally Posted by Xanadu

no country/empire wants to admit its failing, history has shown that they have tried to cling on to the very end

Now I have to think about the end of WW2 ... lol

Tsss USA...the have to admit their fails... seriously they haven't got a health care system...how are they able to live?
But now we're off topic and since I have no idea of the US bootcamps work, I will leave that thread.

[Xanadu]

I have heard wacky things of why their system is better "your taxes are higher, you have to wait longer"
their system is all fine and well for those with money, and they don't give a shit about poor people
its a business to them and nothing more, like jails, lawsuits and prescription drugs

(I am just glad, I would never be accepted in a draft) lol

[HolyShadow]

Xanadu, it's important to have both systems in the world. If you suddenly remove a high-quality, high-cost system then those who benefit from that niche would be forced into a system that doesn't work according to their own needs. It's the same as removing a high-wait, low-quality, low-cost health care system. It would force those incapable of fitting that niche into a niche that doesn't work for them.

[Xanadu]

don't want to talk about it, people's health shouldn't be something that others profit over
I guess its just something crazy I believe in

[HolyShadow]

Fair enough.

[FluffyPillow]

Originally Posted by Xanadu

don't want to talk about it, people's health shouldn't be something that others profit over
I guess its just something crazy I believe in

Agreed

[AllisonWalker]

Originally Posted by FluffyPillow

Yeah, Germany produces a lot of military stuff...
Iraq war was pointless...same with the Afganistan war. (Ah, the Taleban is gone, what should we do with the warlords? Nothing? Good idea!)

You are so wrong about that, sweetheart. The Taliban is still kicking all over the place, trying to threaten civilians to follow their wacked out theocracy. There are many good reasons for staying inside the Middle East, and protecting the civilians is a large part of it. They have no one else standing up for them, nor do they have the medical or military forces to help them in times of crisis. Just because Bin Laden is dead, doesn't mean the organization is too.

Because it ain't.

Also, this topic has nothing to do with National health care. Get back on topic.

[Xanadu]

I don't think we have a health care thread
I'd rather drink poison then try and debate that with you "regulars" so I shant be the one to make it

[FluffyPillow]

Originally Posted by AllisonWalker

You are so wrong about that, sweetheart. The Taliban is still kicking all over the place, trying to threaten civilians to follow their wacked out theocracy. There are many good reasons for staying inside the Middle East, and protecting the civilians is a large part of it. They have no one else standing up for them, nor do they have the medical or military forces to help them in times of crisis. Just because Bin Laden is dead, doesn't mean the organization is too.

I know that the Taliban is still very active there. I was to lazy to make a big explanation. (Sorry)
After so many years many Afghans lost their trust in the ISAF mission. That's a huge problem. And for sure the point that the warlords have still to much power in the south. I'm not saying that the 'world' should leave the people there to their fate but to continue the same way as in the last years isn't a solution. It's a diffucult case.

[AllisonWalker]

Originally Posted by FluffyPillow

I know that the Taliban is still very active there. I was to lazy to make a big explanation. (Sorry)
After so many years many Afghans lost their trust in the ISAF mission. That's a huge problem. And for sure the point that the warlords have still to much power in the south. I'm not saying that the 'world' should leave the people there to their fate but to continue the same way as in the last years isn't a solution. It's a diffucult case.

All wars take time to finish. The military doesn't work with a "summer time solider" mentally. You stay in it until the job is done.

[Fat1Fared]

Originally Posted by FluffyPillow

Germany, too.
We didn't join the last Iraq war ;)

-please tell me you are taking the piss...please

[Jotenks]

Oh my goodness! The word discipline has been mentioned not once in this entire discussion. I'm too lazy to read most of what you are all saying, especially since the first page was as big as an xbox.

But the answer to whatever question killshot wanted was discipline. That's what all the stuff they do in the military is for. Also to teach practicality, but discipline.

[ThePRPD]

Hey, guys...

[Jotenks]

I was on topic...

[Fat1Fared]

oh thanks for telling us mr-mod, without you what ever could us mere mortals hope to know, thanks <kisses feet continually > I am not worthy I am a not worthy...the presence of one whom has the power to make such redundant comments and then past such unremunerated messages onto us is clearly a second coming of god...oh please have mercy [ if you could not tell, I was being a sarcastic troll, ]

[ThePRPD]

Originally Posted by Jotenks

I was on topic...

I know. It was directed at the others since that tangent was ridiculously off-topic.

Originally Posted by Fat1Fared

if you could not tell, I was being a sarcastic troll,

I could tell but I think you could've done better. It was a weak attempt overall and you were trying to hard. You could have tried being a bit more snide and us less over-the-top references to the never-happening " second coming". If I was a mod, the tangent had been less ridiculous, and shorter the attempt would have been more effective and maybe a little amusing. However, you didn't have much to work with to being with.