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The distinction you seem to make between the two lies in... what exactly? I'd like to say it seems to be that one is capable to pursue interpersonal relationships and the other can't but that doesn't seem to be what you're getting across. Maybe one willfully ignores the rules of society and the others can't understand them in the first place? But you seem to be saying both understand them. Maybe one takes advantage of it? See, I think you've confused something. The two terms don't really hold much of a distinction the way you've presented it, and we can hardly hold you to that. I mean, it's just a troll site on the internet. But if you're going to defend a claim you make, please take care to present it in a way that can't easily be attacked. For example, please directly state the distinction you make between the two terms you've listed so that even an idiot like me with the bare minimum of psychology experience can understand without error. |
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No. Back on topic about corrupt judicial systems before I lock this thread.
Normally I am not opposed to letting the subject drift but it has drifted far enough from the original topic and I don't see it getting back around it without interference anytime soon. I say "get back on topic" and that post is ignored. So please don't ignore this one if you want to keep this thread open. |
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I think corruption is bad. they shouldn't do that.
seriously now: what is there to discuss about? |
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I think that the point of this thread is to talk about in what ways the judicial system can be corrupted, if there are better alternatives, how corrupt it currently is, etc.
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well, there are several judicial systems, which one do we mean? the one where uneducated random people without knowledge about the case, that can easily be influenced by fake tears, decide over guilt and innocence?
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I think I understand. Sally's trying to give an example of what a corrupt judicial system looks like. Good show.
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Normally I would make a joke about Sally restoring order, but in this case, I am just going to say 'thank you'.
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the easiest way to prevent a corrupt judicial system is to stop giving people reasons to commit crimes. crimes are usually committed because of misery or greed, so we have to establish a world, were everyone is satisfied.
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My misery caused me to change to escape my own misery. My greed makes me want to achieve things I normally wouldn't. The problem is people like you who create justifications for people to do evil. "It's not their fault, it's society's fault! Let's blame people for being greedy and making them sad!" We choose to sacrifice who we claim as evil for the good of the society, and feel good that what we're sacrificing for good is evil. If someone chooses to do evil they can learn from it. If someone chooses to be evil their chances are slim. If someone chooses that they don't care in the slightest about others calling them evil then they will reject society at large. Finally, if someone decides they hate society and its flaws, there is no telling what they may do in the name of that hate. Corruption lies in power. Power lies in dominion. Dominion is a fact of an existence wherein there are multiple intelligent beings. To reverse dominion is anarchy in the worst possible form. |
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I didn't say it wasn't their fault, but that the reason for their acting lies in the system. everyone, who can think logically, is guilty when he commits crimes. But still there would be less if no one had a reason to commit them. |
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The best and worst thing about a democracy is the people involved.
The system of Justice much like a system of government is based on Checks and Balances. However if the people interpreting laws have similar preconceived notions as the people that create them, there are bound to be flaws. |
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And there would also be no reason to live. A world without sadness and greed isn't a world I'd like to live in. The choice to do evil is far more important than whether or not people choose to do evil or not.
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could you explain why you wouldn't want to live in a world where you are never sad?
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Remember that there is always a downside to absolutely everything you do, right down to breathing, eating, and defecating into a toilet. Enemies are relative, as are allies. They only exist as such in relation to you, and you only exist in relation to society. The idea that misery is an enemy may be your idea or society's idea but it's never the right idea. Bad can come of good, and good can come of bad. As biggles and I debated yesterday on skype, civil suits are about making people whole, and criminal suits are about applying justice. In civil suits there may be pain and suffering and psychological trauma taken into consideration, but not in criminal suits. Misery therefore exists but shouldn't be viewed in context of the criminal justice system or the system becomes unfair. Therefore, in the case that those who commit crimes do so because of their misery, the criminal justice system should not take that into consideration. They have chosen to make their lives more miserable. To remove misery, furthermore, is completely impossible. You can try, but it won't do any good. Most likely it'll just hurt people. For some reason you seem to think communism is inherently a good thing because of what Marx has promised will result from it but if you ever noticed every pseudo-communist experiment has failed for a plethora of reasons, mainly peppered with human rights issues. I wouldn't say communism is inherently evil but the human understanding of it in relation to our preconceived notions causes it to easily become corrupted. Even the most optimal form sacrifices quite a few people for its ultimate goal, even if that sacrifice isn't through starving them or killing untold numbers of babies in population-control measures, or creating a network of secret police made from former criminals to disappear malcontents overnight. |
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okay so: 1. you are unable to grow without misery. Did I get you right? that might apply for you, but not for everyone. You can also do something good for yourself, without being sad. for example, many people start playing games, while they are still happy, they don't wait until they are sad to improve there situation. 2. yes, good can come from bad, but good can also come from good and good that comes from good is better than good that comes from bad, because that good doesn't require bad. 3. I agree, emotions are no excuse. But bad emotions still cause crime and there would be less crime, if there were less bad emotions. and with less crime, there would be less corruption in the judicial system, which apparently is the topic. 4. yes, but you can decrease it 5. correct, the PSEUDO-communistic systems failed. Also all capitalistic systems failed, so why should they be better? |
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You're extremely simple-minded it seems. I've seen girls who have been raped, boys that are socially awkward, girls with mental illnesses, boys who are lonely, girls with bad parental relationships, boys with debilitating injuries, girls who've had abortions, boys who've had loved ones die, girls who've buckled down over the pressure of power, boys who've gone homeless with alcohol and drug addiction, and girls who've made the hard choice to abandon boys who they love because their heart just can't handle being broken even one more time by that person. People require counseling and help. That much is true. But playing video games doesn't combat depression. It's a distraction. If you want to talk about increasing public funding for mental health issues I'm completely behind you. If you're just going to cling to vague things like "just get over it" or "everyone should be happy" then you're an enormous fool and you should shut your mouth before everyone around you realizes that. Unless, of course, you're willing to change your mind. You know, since you're frustrated by being so wrong. You might even say sad. And changing your mind would ultimately take away the frustration. You might even say it'll make you happy. So then by changing your mind because of your sadness you become happy. Change really is brilliant. Quote:
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